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Mavrick

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If you think looks don't matter to women, you're SADLY mistaken.

Get yourself bulked up if you're too skinny.
Get yourself toned if you're fat.
Get some nice clothes.
Get a good haircut. Grow it out, keep it short, it doesn't matter as long as you have some style.

The reason I say this is because you have to attract the women first. That's point number 1.

All the lines in the world and all the confidence in the world won't do jack sh!t if you can't even attract them first. Anyone telling you that looks don't matter is equivalent to a fugly woman saying, "it's what's inside that counts".

You guys that keep trying and having no luck at all, I say cudos to you for the effort, but since it isn't working for you, it's time to make some dayum changes.

You guys that aren't even trying, yet sit in your room on your computer crying about not having anyone or any luck. In the words of Mr. T "I pitty the foo". I also have to say this "GET OFF YOUR ASS". Turn off the computer, walk out of your room, go some where (anywhere), and say hello to each person you see - no matter who they are. Learn the art of conversation by going out and doing it, but don't rely on getting a response and getting all caught up in it. Do this sh!t for you. If you don't do it, I don't have anything else to say to you. Sorry, dude.

Remember, looks do matter in the beginning. You have to attract first. There are no words that you can say to a woman that will attract her. Once you get yourself looking good and girls take notice, you'll grow more confident as you progress.

Good luck, bro!
 

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The best advice is not to listen to Mavrick.

Thus saith the Lord.
 

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I agree with you that looks matter, but this topic has been beaten to death already on this site.
 

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I agree. you do have to try.

At the same time, I disagree. you can pull if you're not the most attractive guy.

honestly, ugly guys tend to get with ugly girls. and here's the kicker... they seem to be HAPPY with it. so its whatever.

we always come to the same realization with this topic. looks matter. TO AN EXTENT. not the same extent they matter to you or I, but they do matter somewhat. that's it. it's simple.
 

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To expand on my previous post, while I agree that looks matter, Mavrick is wrong in that good game- flirting skills, conversational skills, charisma etc- trump looks any day. (for a guy)
 

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Couldn't be more right, I don't wanna believe it but its only to true, word will help after awhile but looks help in the beginning.
 

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There have been many many threads regarding looks and how it affects their attraction. It doesnt matter what anyone says, how they say it, when/where they say it. Looks matter. Period. If a guy tells you "Bro looks dont matter all you need to be is confident and you'll be alright" Yet he's the same guy trying to beef up his looks so he can do what? Yeah, attract girls. If a girl tells you "Just be yourself and be a nice guy" <~~ that advice is a first class ticket to a j*rkoff session. Guys, Looks MATTER, looks MATTER. Ill say it one more time. Looks MATTER. Theres no way around it. Like the OP said, improve your looks and the female eyes start wandering in your direction. Period.
 

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Mavrick said:
The reason I say this is because you have to attract the women first. That's point number 1.
Mavrick said:
All the lines in the world and all the confidence in the world won't do jack sh!t if you can't even attract them first.
Mavrick said:
You have to attract first. There are no words that you can say to a woman that will attract her.
But sadly, these words of wisdom go completely over the head of 99% of the members on this forum... :eek:
 

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Let's say you walk up to a random woman at the beach. You're going to go for a swim, so you're shirtless, and you're a little overweight. Your body isn't that attractive.

You say hi to her.
Question: What does she think of you?
Answer: Not much.
You're going to have to use your DJ skills, confidence, etc, to attract her, since your body isn't.

On the other hand, if you're been working out for the past year or so, and have a decent body, she'll have a more positive initial impression - it's up to you to maintain that good impression when you open your mouth.
 

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Girls are all full of it when or if they say, looks dont matter much to them. Haha what a load of you know what.

Look at this Link below, which contains a youtube video of guys showing off their bodies. the point of this video is not for you to look at all the guys in the video but to look below to all the female comments and how bad they want these guys and their "hotness" Looks dont matter females say? Please :rolleyes: Dont be fooled by that Sh*t. Women love a good looking guy because they cant control him, But why is that? Its because the Stud has options and has confidence. He cant be controlled because if she gets out of line, Shes gone and the next chick will be in his bed to replace her. Make no mistake about it, Looks are crucial. Dont let anyone tell you any different. instead of complaining about it, get up off the chair and begin a intensive workout program, pamper yourself by buying the best shampoos and conditioners that make your hair look good. Find a nice clothing style. Search for some good cologne to smell good.....etc. Remember, When your Looking good, your Feeling good and if your feeling good then your confidence is good and if your confidence is good then your overall vibe is good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH_Cg47e7FY&feature=PlayList&p=945A4009802DC4F4&playnext=1&index=48
 

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"Dont let anyone tell you any different. instead of complaining about it, get up off the chair and begin a intensive workout program, pamper yourself by buying the best shampoos and conditioners that make your hair look good. Find a nice clothing style. Search for some good cologne to smell good.....etc."

Right... do all this just to get the girls...
Look, girls obviously prefer hotstuff dudes, but it means little to what actually "works" for women relationship-wise. It's common sense that hot dudes are hot to women. Thanks for the tips, genius. -.-
The point is that girls react way more to a whole slew of other crap, unlike dudes who mainly react to physical attractiveness.
Also,girls are way more attracted to non-biological physical traits, like style, sense of physical sense, sexuality, etc. Men are what they wear. Walk confidently and you'll get looks from women, for example. Be a gq-model but walk with a slump, frown, and look unkept and like a bum and girls wont give you a second glance.
 

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MisterMcGee said:
"Dont let anyone tell you any different. instead of complaining about it, get up off the chair and begin a intensive workout program, pamper yourself by buying the best shampoos and conditioners that make your hair look good. Find a nice clothing style. Search for some good cologne to smell good.....etc."

Right... do all this just to get the girls...
Look, girls obviously prefer hotstuff dudes, but it means little to what actually "works" for women relationship-wise. It's common sense that hot dudes are hot to women. Thanks for the tips, genius. -.-
The point is that girls react way more to a whole slew of other crap, unlike dudes who mainly react to physical attractiveness.
Also,girls are way more attracted to non-biological physical traits, like style, sense of physical sense, sexuality, etc. Men are what they wear. Walk confidently and you'll get looks from women, for example. Be a gq-model but walk with a slump, frown, and look unkept and like a bum and girls wont give you a second glance.
Look MisterMoron, Confidence is a big part too. i never said it wasnt. what im saying is a response to people who blindly say that looks DONT matter. thats the point of this thread. I NEVER said anything related to "Looks are the ONLY important thing to have".
 

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LOOKS DO IN FACT MATTER!

On a serious tip, if you follow the DJ book and look ugly as hell, sure you'll get lucky on occasion, but you're highly likely to get flaked on. Good looking guys barely, if ever get sh*t tested. They also get that first glance, instead of having to give it.

You know you need to work on your looks if only fat and ugly women approach you and you must run away (I hope you're wearing Converse, they're lighter, enabling you to run faster.)

Have any of you guys seen the show "Average Joe"? The guys who were muscular turned the girl's head INSTANTLY and out of muscular guy with the beach bod and the average joe, the beach bod won.

If you're rich, you'd better be getting lipo as well as other surgery and get that excess body fat off ASAP! F**k losing weight naturally, this procedure does help! Who needs to know you did that? Sure, at the beach or in the bedroom, the scar will show, but you've got it going on! Your confidence will shoot WAY UP, just like if you own a drop top Bentley. You can duck behind it to attract women, but watch out for golddiggers.

To aid with that beach bod, some say use illegal steroids, provided you can find them, you're not in pro sports, and only municipal uses! Don't tell anybody, you may get snitched on!

Get a personal trainer if you can afford one.

If you ain't rich, work on doing so if you can't get a SEXY girl to notice you.

If all else fails, you'll have to resort to "skin deep sexy" i.e. personality and confidence.

Look into plastic surgery if need be.
 

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nismo-4 said:
LOOKS DO IN FACT MATTER!

On a serious tip, if you follow the DJ book and look ugly as hell, sure you'll get lucky on occasion, but you're highly likely to get flaked on. Good looking guys barely, if ever get sh*t tested. They also get that first glance, instead of having to give it.

You know you need to work on your looks if only fat and ugly women approach you and you must run away (I hope you're wearing Converse, they're lighter, enabling you to run faster.)

Have any of you guys seen the show "Average Joe"? The guys who were muscular turned the girl's head INSTANTLY and out of muscular guy with the beach bod and the average joe, the beach bod won.

If you're rich, you'd better be getting lipo as well as other surgery and get that excess body fat off ASAP! F**k losing weight naturally, this procedure does help! Who needs to know you did that? Sure, at the beach or in the bedroom, the scar will show, but you've got it going on! Your confidence will shoot WAY UP, just like if you own a drop top Bentley. You can duck behind it to attract women, but watch out for golddiggers.

To aid with that beach bod, some say use illegal steroids, provided you can find them, you're not in pro sports, and only municipal uses! Don't tell anybody, you may get snitched on!

Get a personal trainer if you can afford one.

If you ain't rich, work on doing so if you can't get a SEXY girl to notice you.

If all else fails, you'll have to resort to "skin deep sexy" i.e. personality and confidence.

Look into plastic surgery if need be.
5 star post dude - steroids and plastic surgery. Awesome.
 

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Whoa.

Bur the thing with the First Glance is true.
Looking good (+style) makes it so much easier, especially at the beginning.
 
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I agree with you that looks matter, but this topic has been beaten to death already on this site.

But there are still so many naive posters...
 
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