If prostitution were legal in USA (everywhere), would wives have less "headaches"?

[Jitterbug]

But I think there is a distinction between hiring a hooker and seducing a woman. Even on a one night stand, a woman still has to like you on some basic level if she's going to let herself sleep with you. A hooker doesn't need to form any bond other than a quid pro quo agreement.

Not strictly true at brothels in countries where it's legalised & regulated. Other than money, you'll have to be presentable and likeable too. They are not forced to sell their service to (i.e sleeping with) anyone. Try showing up at a brothel down in Australia as a bum, or being an arsehole to them and see where that gets you (kicked out of the place).

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

It doesn't really have anything to do with prostitution, it's the lack of male power in marriage. Most of Europe has legal hookers and their women are just as bad as ours.

In western countries, if you get divorced, you lose a lot, the woman gains a lot.

It's different in places like Latin America. There the men have the power, in a divorce, the man keep everything, including the kids.

Women know their place and do what they can in order to please their man. That's why you don't see too many fat women in Latin America, Eastern Europe, and some parts of Asia.

 

[typical]

After years for sticking up for my mates that used or use working girls to get their sexual needs serviced I've concluded that as a MAN I shouldn't have to "Directly Pay" for anything sexual from a WOMAN EVER.

Think about it why are we here its because we are lacking in the skills needed to bed the girls we want OR we fell off the bandwagon and got brainwashed into becoming the "sweet relationship type" guy that mainstream media flaunt. Either way we are here because we LOST POWER to women everywhere and became weak.

How would prostitution being legal make wives and gf's less likely to give their men excuses for not having sex ? Think about that question, prostitution has always been here and will always be here making it legal won't change a damn thing, instead it may just make women more inclined to decline sex to their men.

i.e "Just go see that wh0re of yours if you want sex so much"

This would become the the line women would use on their "Weak" bf's or husbands. I say this because that is what is happening right now in New Zealand as being a prostitute is now a legal profession. I hear it many times when my best mates tell me their wifes/gfs have told them to go fu(k a wh0re if they want sex so bad, it hs become worse since they legalized it.

Legalizing prostitution IS NOT THE ANSWER, it won't fix the relationship problems most westernized men have, sex is sex a relationship is vastly different.

The answer is simple if you want to have great sex in a realtionship or out of a relationship your choice then you must BECOME A MAN OF VALUE.

If she senses that you have HIGH VALUE she will do everything in her power to keep you happy and make sure you don't go around looking for another women. She has more to loose if your a high value male then a low value male.

Think about it, if you are smart well educated have a lean good looking body, have a good job/ make a decent amount of money, own your own house/apartment have your own car have friends and hobbies that you like to hang out with and do those hobbies with, look after your immediate family members. Then you are a High Value Male and you should behave in a manner which clearly shows that you "RUN THE SHOW" and not anyone else.

At this stage you have become what pook calls "The Catch", no women in her sane mind would turn you down for she will fear losing the near perfect man. And if she does happen to try and disrespect you, then you will simply shrug her off like water off a ducks back and move on to another woman.

So its simple become a "high value male" establish the "frame" of who "runs the show" and keep showing her that you have your sh!t together and will not put up with any disrespect. Keep setting yourself goals and working on ways to achieve those goals and guess what your woman/women will never give you sh!t about anything.

And in the odd chance that she does disrespect you, it simply means she isn't worth your time and you need to move on.

Too many guys stay in a relationship when they have displayed on many occasions that they are not a high value male, they put up with all the bullsh!t because they are too afraid to venture forth and seek out what they really want.


In the end prostitution shouldn't even come up in your head because once you reach that level you will find getting women becomes very very easy almost like taking candy from a child.

Example: When I was 23 years old was in my second year of university was in the ring every month with a boxing or kickboxing fight lived in my own apartment drove a car worth 50 grand do you think I had problems with getting girls ??? do you think I ever thought about seeing a working girl ???

I was getting numbers all the time girls were openly flirting with me all the time everywhere I went I could feel all the young hot girls eye me up wanting me to come up to them and initiate a conversation. Most times I really didn't have time but I was still pulling in one new lay a week if not more.

How did I fail ??? I got into a relationship with a hot young thing and became complacent and fell into a stupid relaxed state of mind and got kicked to the curb when I tore my back and lost my finances, I know how to fix my downfalls BUT DO YOU ???

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Mature DJ,
We have had semi legalised escorts and Knocking shops down here in Australia,for 30 or so years....doesn't make much difference...prostitution is a sordid business...At least we don't have much Crime living off it,and it is relatively safe.

 

[PappyS]

After years for sticking up for my mates that used or use working girls to get their sexual needs serviced I've concluded that as a MAN I shouldn't have to "Directly Pay" for anything sexual from a WOMAN EVER.

Think about it why are we here its because we are lacking in the skills needed to bed the girls we want OR we fell off the bandwagon and got brainwashed into becoming the "sweet relationship type" guy that mainstream media flaunt. Either way we are here because we LOST POWER to women everywhere and became weak.

How would prostitution being legal make wives and gf's less likely to give their men excuses for not having sex ? Think about that question, prostitution has always been here and will always be here making it legal won't change a damn thing, instead it may just make women more inclined to decline sex to their men.

i.e "Just go see that wh0re of yours if you want sex so much"

This would become the the line women would use on their "Weak" bf's or husbands. I say this because that is what is happening right now in New Zealand as being a prostitute is now a legal profession. I hear it many times when my best mates tell me their wifes/gfs have told them to go fu(k a wh0re if they want sex so bad, it hs become worse since they legalized it.

Legalizing prostitution IS NOT THE ANSWER, it won't fix the relationship problems most westernized men have, sex is sex a relationship is vastly different.

The answer is simple if you want to have great sex in a realtionship or out of a relationship your choice then you must BECOME A MAN OF VALUE.

If she senses that you have HIGH VALUE she will do everything in her power to keep you happy and make sure you don't go around looking for another women. She has more to loose if your a high value male then a low value male.

Think about it, if you are smart well educated have a lean good looking body, have a good job/ make a decent amount of money, own your own house/apartment have your own car have friends and hobbies that you like to hang out with and do those hobbies with, look after your immediate family members. Then you are a High Value Male and you should behave in a manner which clearly shows that you "RUN THE SHOW" and not anyone else.

At this stage you have become what pook calls "The Catch", no women in her sane mind would turn you down for she will fear losing the near perfect man. And if she does happen to try and disrespect you, then you will simply shrug her off like water off a ducks back and move on to another woman.

So its simple become a "high value male" establish the "frame" of who "runs the show" and keep showing her that you have your sh!t together and will not put up with any disrespect. Keep setting yourself goals and working on ways to achieve those goals and guess what your woman/women will never give you sh!t about anything.

And in the odd chance that she does disrespect you, it simply means she isn't worth your time and you need to move on.

Too many guys stay in a relationship when they have displayed on many occasions that they are not a high value male, they put up with all the bullsh!t because they are too afraid to venture forth and seek out what they really want.


In the end prostitution shouldn't even come up in your head because once you reach that level you will find getting women becomes very very easy almost like taking candy from a child.

Example: When I was 23 years old was in my second year of university was in the ring every month with a boxing or kickboxing fight lived in my own apartment drove a car worth 50 grand do you think I had problems with getting girls ??? do you think I ever thought about seeing a working girl ???

I was getting numbers all the time girls were openly flirting with me all the time everywhere I went I could feel all the young hot girls eye me up wanting me to come up to them and initiate a conversation. Most times I really didn't have time but I was still pulling in one new lay a week if not more.

How did I fail ??? I got into a relationship with a hot young thing and became complacent and fell into a stupid relaxed state of mind and got kicked to the curb when I tore my back and lost my finances, I know how to fix my downfalls BUT DO YOU ???

The reason to pay for sex is to fvck without bvllsh!t. Straight to the point. Also to get them to fvck off afterward.

If men are doing all the relationship bvllsh!t for women then the women may not care if they go out with whures on the side. Frankly most customers of whures are probably married men anyway. A lot of wives will look the other way if their husband is fvcking whures, or if he has other girlfriends, or if he is a homosexual fvcking other men in public washrooms. They don't care as long as he does all that relationship bvllsh!t for them. As long as they get their bills paid or whatever they're happy.

But if men who didn't want relationships were having their sexual needs met by whures instead of trying to get a wife or girlfriend, then women would be upset. If men paid for pvssy instead of spending a lot of money or kissing women's azzes just to get laid, then women would be upset.

 

[zekko]

The main problem I have with prostitution is that I don't like paying for something you can get for free. Same reason I won't pay for radio. I'd love to have satellite radio, but I'm just not going to pay for it. I'm too used to listening to regular radio for free.

Also, if you have the internet, wifi radio is a nice alternative.

 

[typical]

The reason to pay for sex is to fvck without bvllsh!t. Straight to the point. Also to get them to fvck off afterward.

If men are doing all the relationship bvllsh!t for women then the women may not care if they go out with whures on the side. Frankly most customers of whures are probably married men anyway. A lot of wives will look the other way if their husband is fvcking whures, or if he has other girlfriends, or if he is a homosexual fvcking other men in public washrooms. They don't care as long as he does all that relationship bvllsh!t for them. As long as they get their bills paid or whatever they're happy.

But if men who didn't want relationships were having their sexual needs met by whures instead of trying to get a wife or girlfriend, then women would be upset. If men paid for pvssy instead of spending a lot of money or kissing women's azzes just to get laid, then women would be upset.

You still dont understand what I'm saying. Once your a high value male you can have your cake and eat it too, you can go around getting girls numbers and bang them by the end of the week if you play your cards right. You can meet them in the moring and be in bed with them that very night. If you want a relationship then you won't have to worry about finding a girl but worry about which girl TO CHOOSE, she in turn WILL give you all the sex you want and need because she will fear losing you, she will also keep her body mind and soul up to date so that you don't go looking for another woman/women. Some may even settle for just being your fu(k buddy while you decide the right time to get married.

You wouldn't have to PAY for sex ever again.

I'll use myself as an example, right now I've got 2 girls that are head over heels for me but I only visit them when I want some sex or need to chill out with a decent chick. I dont have to put up with any bullsh!t I turn up to their apartment get food and drink watch a movie or talk a little about how the week was and then get down to business, all it cost me was to drive to their place and nothing more. After that I'm back doing my thing always looking for more plates to add to the cycle. I don't have to fork out any money at all to get what I want, and every now and then the girls try and push me tp commit and I keep deflecting the discussion away, if they get too pushy I cut them loose and move on, not because I don't want to be in a relationship but right now I have at least 3 major goals to achieve before I even consider going for a relationship again.

Like you said if your woman didn't or doesn't care who your sleeping with or what you do aslong as the bills are paid and the kids are looked after then really your no more of a check book for her and nothing else. She doesn't care because all her needs are being looked after and she knows your sorry a$$ won't leave because your too weak to stand up for yourself.

If your paying for a working girl to have sex with you then you my friend are being super lazy and shouldn't you as a dj be able to go chill out with one of the many many ladies you are dating at any given day at her place or have her come to your place instead of using your phone to fork out money for some sex.

Using a prostitute is plain lazyness, no matter if your single or in a relationship, the reason why your looking for sex else where is because your not getting enough with the social skills that you by now should have learned and developed.

If your single why are you not chasing many many girls and instead of worrying about using a call girl worry about "hmmm which girl should I go out and bang tonight".

If your in a relationship and your looking to pay for sex then you need to get out of that relationship and start chasing other girls who will satisfy your need for sex.

Bottom line is that using a prostitute is being LAZY no matter how you try and justify this behaviour you and I both know its a lazy choice.

 

[Lexington]

The main problem I have with prostitution is that I don't like paying for something you can get for free. Same reason I won't pay for radio. I'd love to have satellite radio, but I'm just not going to pay for it. I'm too used to listening to regular radio for free.

Also, if you have the internet, wifi radio is a nice alternative.

One could argue that the paid versions of those services are better than the free alternatives, no? I don't pay for satellite radio but when I first bought my car I had free service for 6 months. It was better in that there were no ads and there was a far wider selection of music, sports, talk and news compared to the free radio stations. I must admit that it did kinda suck to go back to normal radio after being spoiled by satellite for a while.

It could work the same way when it comes to sex. Sure you can get sex for free, but I think we can all agree that for most guys, it's generally quite difficult to bed really attractive women. But even a non-suave guy can, with a phone call and a little cash, get it on with hot 18-22 year old women that he'd otherwise have trouble getting with.

It's just a matter of whether or not you think it's worth it. Personally, I'm not against prostitution or escorts, but the prices I've seen are not what I'm willing to pay. Even in countries where explicit prostitution is legal (e.g. Germany, Netherlands) it's quite expensive.

Bottom line is that using a prostitute is being LAZY no matter how you try and justify this behaviour you and I both know its a lazy choice.

Is eating in a restaurant a lazy choice? With enough effort one could learn how to make most of the dishes served at restaurants. Sometimes though, people just prefer the convenience of having food prepared by professionals and served to them.

Is it a good idea to eat at restaurants all the time? Probably not. But one can certainly indulge from time to time without much consequence to his wallet or health.

 

[PappyS]

You still dont understand what I'm saying. Once your a high value male you can have your cake and eat it too, you can go around getting girls numbers and bang them by the end of the week if you play your cards right. You can meet them in the moring and be in bed with them that very night. If you want a relationship then you won't have to worry about finding a girl but worry about which girl TO CHOOSE, she in turn WILL give you all the sex you want and need because she will fear losing you, she will also keep her body mind and soul up to date so that you don't go looking for another woman/women. Some may even settle for just being your fu(k buddy while you decide the right time to get married.

You wouldn't have to PAY for sex ever again.

I'll use myself as an example, right now I've got 2 girls that are head over heels for me but I only visit them when I want some sex or need to chill out with a decent chick. I dont have to put up with any bullsh!t I turn up to their apartment get food and drink watch a movie or talk a little about how the week was and then get down to business, all it cost me was to drive to their place and nothing more. After that I'm back doing my thing always looking for more plates to add to the cycle. I don't have to fork out any money at all to get what I want, and every now and then the girls try and push me tp commit and I keep deflecting the discussion away, if they get too pushy I cut them loose and move on, not because I don't want to be in a relationship but right now I have at least 3 major goals to achieve before I even consider going for a relationship again.

Like you said if your woman didn't or doesn't care who your sleeping with or what you do aslong as the bills are paid and the kids are looked after then really your no more of a check book for her and nothing else. She doesn't care because all her needs are being looked after and she knows your sorry a$$ won't leave because your too weak to stand up for yourself.

If your paying for a working girl to have sex with you then you my friend are being super lazy and shouldn't you as a dj be able to go chill out with one of the many many ladies you are dating at any given day at her place or have her come to your place instead of using your phone to fork out money for some sex.

Using a prostitute is plain lazyness, no matter if your single or in a relationship, the reason why your looking for sex else where is because your not getting enough with the social skills that you by now should have learned and developed.

If your single why are you not chasing many many girls and instead of worrying about using a call girl worry about "hmmm which girl should I go out and bang tonight".

If your in a relationship and your looking to pay for sex then you need to get out of that relationship and start chasing other girls who will satisfy your need for sex.

Bottom line is that using a prostitute is being LAZY no matter how you try and justify this behaviour you and I both know its a lazy choice.

So all you need to do to fvck all the girls you want is be rich, good looking, in good shape, have a high paying job and own a luxury car and a condo? Why didn't I think of that earlier?

Everybody can't get a high paying job. Cars are very expensive and so are homes and condos. Prostitutes are a much cheaper option. I'd rather pay for pvssy and still have money in the bank than go broke buying sh!t I can't afford to put up a fake image for b!tches. Also even guys who can get girls easily may not be able to get rid of them so easily. They may have b!tch drama problems.

Prostitution makes it easy for anyone to fvck attractive girls and get them to go away off after. Much cheaper than a car or condo or house. It is true the prices are too high in most rich countries, though. Ironically genuinely broke losers can't afford whures, only middle class and rich guys can.

 

[Jitterbug]

You still dont understand what I'm saying. Once your a high value male you can have your cake and eat it too, you can go around getting girls numbers and bang them by the end of the week if you play your cards right. You can meet them in the moring and be in bed with them that very night.

Who do you think pay the very high fees commanded by high end escorts and top brothels? That's right, high value males.

I have never used the service myself, but I have some acquaintances in the industry (it's legal here) and their clients of the high end services are always very rich men and/or celebrities.

 

[corrector]

The problem with escorts is that they are very expensive. I don't know about now, but a few years ago, the going rate for an hour was $300.

I think the gist of prostitution laws is to get it out of normal, law abiding family citizen's backyards because these sort of things tend to attract low elements of society into their neighbourhoods. Then you got drug dealers, hookers, condoms on the floor, children playing around where lewd acts in public may be occuring.

People's Real-Estate investments will go down and there has to be controls in place to protect the value of the home and reputation of the community. Causing Real-Estate values to go down is like stealing.

The reason for the high cost is because it is illegal to have sex for money. With an escort you are technically just paying her for her time but of course it's for sex.

No it is legal to have sex for money in Canada and you have escorts (which is a euphamism of a prostitute) which charge different rates including that much or more per hour.

These escorts charge what guys are prepared to pay or based on how much traffic they are getting. Personally, if I were going to see an escort, I'd prefer to see one who may not be working with too many clients in one day, and chances are, the more expensive an escort is, the less likely there is allot of riff-raff clients going in and out the door and the more likely you can pick up the phone and book an actual appointment.

I think $ 300 reflects the market saturation or traffic tolerance threshold of the escort so that is why she charges that.

If prostitution was officially legal, more women would do it, and the cost would dramatically drop.

Then come to Canada and you'll find the prices are more or less the same. Sure, you may get street prostitutes for $ 20.00, but who want's them? I wouldn't want one if I were paid $ 100.00 because they are disgustingly ugly and dirty.

Again, you are more likely reinforcing criminal elements into someone's backyard when you go with street hookers because they pay their money to the drug dealers and there is organized crime.

 

[typical]

Who do you think pay the very high fees commanded by high end escorts and top brothels? That's right, high value males.

I have never used the service myself, but I have some acquaintances in the industry (it's legal here) and their clients of the high end services are always very rich men and/or celebrities.

correction they are Men who think they are high value but infact are too lazy to go game a real woman and bed her.

All the replies here are boring lazy excuses. No one said that taking the red pill is easy its damn hard if you were lucky and managed to get a solid foundation of a good single life in your early to mid 20's life is very easy when it comes to women, the rest have to slog it out.

You don't need a super expensive lifestyle and a solid body to pull in the hotties all you need to be is financially stable and have a average or above average body and you will very easily pull in the hotties.

Also PappyS I didn't say you buy these things to put up a image to get women you do this because you want to, wouldn't you like having a awesome car/home/job. Guess what they DONT come easy you have to work your a$$ off for them. In the end any University grad can buy a nice apartment and car after 3-5 years of solid work if he knows how to use his money. Remember when it comes to getting a solid job most of the time its not what you know but who you know.

Example: My uncle runs his own accounting firm nothing special but he has contacts in the industry that hold top level jobs in companies like PWC and Deloitte. So after I grad I could easily land a job at either company not because of what I know but who I know. Most people have these sorts of contacts in their families friends but are too afraid to ask for help.

Again all the arguments break down to plain LAZYNESS.

EDIT: The restaurant argument doesn't apply to me as due to my training for kick boxing and gymnastics being able to eat at restaurants is a big no no. I do it so that when I'm 50 years old I'll still be in great shape and top health. Although once in a while I do eat out but go slog it out extra hard the next day. Women I'm sorry I would never pay for not when I know for a fact that I can pull in a equally hot girl with all the tools that I have learned from people in real life and this forum. I guess it comes from a "Can do" attitude instead of "fu(k it" lets just take the easy route.

 

[Jitterbug]

correction they are Men who think they are high value but infact are too lazy to go game a real woman and bed her.

You'll find that usually it's not laziness, but the opposite. Those men are too busy to game women because they have huge responsibilities with their empires, or they are too famous to game random women and risk scandals (many being married as well).

Of course some are lazy too. Even Charlie Sheen, who's probably slept with more hot women than this entire Mature Men forum readership combined, has used the service on many occasions.

You have a very black & white view of the oldest profession. It is convenient to your definition of a man's value as his ability to seduce attractive women, but is not reflected by reality nor philosophically & morally correct.

This Red Pill / Blue Pill analogy is helpful to explain the mating game to the uninitiated, but it is not a hammer to be used on everything.

And btw sex workers are real women, they are not robots.

 

[typical]

I think you and I are on the same page but have a slightly different view.

You and I both know Charlie Sheen is not a high quality man never was never will be, it still boils down to fooling yourself and making up an excuse because you can't go without sex for a day or two OR your willing to just pay for sex because you can't be bothered in fixing any personal flaws which might be stopping you from getting the hot girls you really want.

For the guys that are not getting sex and are in a relationship and are being forced to use prostitutes all I ask is why are you in such a bad relationship to start with ? Fix that please.
For the guys that are in a realtionship/single and want to bang other girls all I ask is why are you not spinning plates or actively seeking out good looking women ? Fix that please.
For the guys that are too busy to go out and socialize and meet new women all I ask is why are you so busy that you can't make time to enjoy your life ? Fix that please.

I agree that the women are women and that you will eventually "pay" either directly or indirectly, but you and I both know that if you keep working on yourself your career etc you will be able to bed many many women and you will have the confidence that you can go and pick up a girl on any given day/night. You will never ever need to pick your phone up and call a prostitute ever again.

There may not be anything wrong with it but for me its a lazy choice.

 

[goodfoot]

I use escorts because women bore me and I don't feel like putting up with their crap. I've had 3 stalkers in the last year show up at my home or work unannounced. Plus the chicks who can't take a hint and keep blowing my phone up. It's easier to pay a flat fee and not have to worry about it. If I want to go out I still can do that and get chicks, but I don't have to.

 

[Burroughs]

You and I both know Charlie Sheen is not a high quality man never was never will be

Really?

Personal grooming aside the man has starred in legendary movies (wall street hello!) in his youth and recently helmed the most popular comedy on television pulling 12 million bucks a pop....how you doing?

 

[Warrior74]

High quality. Such a myth. Both male and female. Show me the fortune not perpetrated on crime and the pastor not guilty of sin, and the one among you without a tawdry or unseemly moment and I'll show you the so called high quality person. High horses are made for hard falls.

 

[typical]

Really?

Personal grooming aside the man has starred in legendary movies (wall street hello!) in his youth and recently helmed the most popular comedy on television pulling 12 million bucks a pop....how you doing?

Ugh still don't get it do ya son, meh why do I even bother people that have drug and alcohol issues among other various issues are deemed high quality, lovely plain lovely.

All I have read so far in this thread is men complaining like a bunch of women and making up useless excuses.

Whatever happened to men holding themselves in high esteem and being proud of their achievements ?? Instead we sit around talking about the merits of paying for sex.

All the posts say "I have a few minor issues that I can't be bothered to fix or deal with as I don't have the balls to do so, thus I will settle for a prostitute"

Each to their own I guess.

 

[Lexington]

To say that only "low value" men are using the services of prostitutes is simply false. Are there low value men using them? Certainly. But many of them are also very successful.

In NYC and Connecticut, many escorts charge hundreds to thousands of dollars per hour. They wouldn't be charging that much if there weren't people paying these rates. And the people who can afford it aren't exactly low value. These are Wall Street fat cats and other super rich folk we're talking about here. They don't have trouble landing women. They are simply paying for the convenience and ease.

Paying for an escort is no different than paying for a nice meal at a restaurant. Sure, you could make that meal yourself if you bothered to put in the effort. But sometimes, you'd prefer to have it prepared by professionals and served to you.

If you've got the money, I don't see anything wrong with it. Sometimes, guys just want to fvck. They don't want to socialize, they don't want to "game" a girl, they don't want to court her. They just want a sexy girl to come over, fvck them and then fvck off. If you are among the super rich, then a few hundred bucks is chump change. Why not?

It's possible to be a successful high value man and to be extremely attractive to women but to also enjoy the services of high end hookers from time to time.

 

[mrRuckus]

Fun read: Wh0remart.