If chicks riding the c@ck carosel is "real"..

[Mike32ct]

I think the problem is guys swallow the red pill, but they still have issues with their own limiting beliefs. They pick and choose which parts of the red pill they're going to accept. I think, for the most part, that's okay, it's best to work into this whole thing one step at a time vs. going from one extreme to the other (just my opinion). After accepting it, there's still a lot to learn and understand.

(DJ Bible Study, tomorrow 4PM PST, General Discussion forum)

However, there are some main points of the red pill red pill beliefs that really should be accepted right off the bat. One of those is that physical appearance (for guys) isn't as important as you think it is. That's probably the #1 point of the red pill ideology. But some guys just can't get past it.

I'll admit that it's a tough pill to swallow. I see so many examples in real life of women going for or not going for guys based on looks or lack thereof. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong, and it's confirmation bias. I don't know. Other times, I see guys that I think are hideous with attractive women. But maybe I'm not a good judge because I'm not a chick. Plus some women go more for a certain TYPE of guy sometimes rather pure aesthetic looks.

It's all very confusing. We might never for sure. But I'm open to your thoughts on this one.

 

[noheroes]

I'll admit that it's a tough pill to swallow. I see so many examples in real life of women going for or not going for guys based on looks or lack thereof. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong, and it's confirmation bias. I don't know. Other times, I see guys that I think are hideous with attractive women. But maybe I'm not a good judge because I'm not a chick. Plus some women go more for a certain TYPE of guy sometimes rather pure aesthetic looks.

It's all very confusing. We might never for sure. But I'm open to your thoughts on this one.

How do you know they're going for guys based on looks? Are the women telling you this? If so, it may be that they're using the language of looks as a cover. Perhaps they're picking based on body language, vibe, and game and aren't aware of their own criteria.

I'd say that all things being equal, a girl will pick based on looks. If the choice, however, is between an below average to average guy with great game, and a handsome guy with zero game, they'll go for the former every time. Unless the former is a burn victim or something.

 

[VikingKing]

This website is like alcoholics anonymous for nice guys. I believe first you have to accept what this site teaches, but first you have to learn the actual information.

Then its about practicing it, getting comfortable with rejection, and thats how you build your confidence.

But one of the most important things I think that is necessary for a spiritual change. It may sound cliche or what ever, and it doesn't mean you have to believe in a God. Personally I'm not so sure I trust organized religion, its been abused and warped over time.

I believe in energy though, there is positive and negative energy every where, in every one, and everything.

Being able to swallow the red pill, and have a positive internal energy, your going to really enjoy your life. Thoughts become things.

This is something I understand, but have yet to achieve, but I'm on the right track.

 

[CaptainSaveAh0]

You say you don't see a "lot" of guys posting this, so I take it you have seen at least some of these posts. We can argue about what a "lot" is, but what is the point? Also, just to clarify, I didn't say anything about guys claiming to have ALL the secrets of the game.

The main point is I'm just paraphrasing what the OP said. Ninja may be trolling, but he does have a point. If all these girls are riding the c0ck carousel, why are guys here reporting having such a hard time getting laid, when they are privy to all this "secret" PUA information?

Backbreaker is also supporting the same point when he says that if guys here were average, they'd be getting laid. Problem is, most guys here are below average, even though they have all this PUA information.


I (and the OP) was talking about guys who were having trouble getting laid, which I take it you are not. Point is, if all this "game" info is so great, why are guys still having trouble. I think there is a lot of good advice on here, but also probably half of it is BS, or is overstated, or only applies to certain situations and personalities. I've always said the best part about this forum is the self improvement aspect. And the motivational aspect.

I completely agree with your last sentence, thats why I am on here as well just for self motivation and improving myself.

I guess it all depends on how the person takes the information , for example: I take it with an open mind and decide for myself how I want to use it or whether it will benefit me. Other DJ's ( usually the ones who are super new ) will assume that all the information on this site is correct and will not build a personality for themselves, rather steal it from other people.

 

[Die Hard]

HumbleNinja: Not breaking any specific rules but still trolling the living sh!t out of the general forum and turning it into a zoo...

 

[backbreaker]

I honest, to god, do not see how HN is trolling. I don't see it here. ;

This is what he is saying


1. the forum says women are sluts and are easy

2. The avg guy on this forum isn't getting laid


Let me put it another way. Let's say you got transferred to a new school and the school was really easy and the class work was boring. Everyone talked about how easy / unchanging the classes are. Yet when you get your first report card, you got 2 D's and a bunch of C's lol.

Is it trolling to say.. you just... might not be that smart lol? Doesn't that make more sense than saying that the school is out to get you and that it's not setup for people like you to be successful? Wouldn't you get further alone understanding that you probably have to work harder than the guy next to you to get good grades and just leave it at that?


Some on this site love to use ad hominem based attacks to not have to deal with tough questions. I don't necessarily think the answer is that all PUA / DJ logic is bull****, but I do think he brings up an extremely valid question/ point; if women are easier now, and you have all this special knowledge, and you aren't getting laid, what's wrong?

 

[HumbleNinja]

HumbleNinja - I think you must have some kind of mental imbalance or something.

Not too long ago it was you and you alone who instigated a campaign of very sycophantic not to mention embarrassing 'interview' threads with members of Sosuave that seemed to highlight the adoration and esteem you held them in.

now all you do is instigate campaigns against them or their theories. what is your major malfunction or have you not been diagnosed yet?

Breaking up the monotony with interview threads is "sycophantic"? LMAO

Putting up threads to spark debate is a "campaign" against what? So Suave's campaign? LOL

Cat man is having a hissy fit over interview threads and has sharted his turd for brains in the litter box again.

 

[Married Buried]

Breaking up the monotony with interview threads is "sycophantic"? LMAO

Putting up threads to spark debate is a "campaign" against what? So Suave's campaign? LOL

Cat man is having a hissy fit over interview threads and has sharted his turd for brains in the litter box again.

Humble what do you think all these women are doing online?

Being good girls, dating one man at a time, not putting out until the 3rd date? Step out of fantasyland my friend! 90% of these women are wh0ring it up however there is a SMALL percentage who are not doing that but it's like finding a needle in the haystack.

Do you think they have POF in other small countries? Hell no. Go meet them.

 

[Chase24]

I honest, to god, do not see how HN is trolling. I don't see it here. ;

This is what he is saying


1. the forum says women are sluts and are easy

2. The avg guy on this forum isn't getting laid

I don't think he's trolling either, but I think he's not thinking things through. What the OP fails to realize is that this is a forum where people are coming together to share all this information. If everyone knew this and could apply it perfectly then why would anyone ever have looked this place up? Of course there are average guys here who come here to get advice and learn from their prior mistakes.

I think it's more that the people who are having all these problems have read everything and taken pointers, but they haven't put it all together. You can put together small parts of being DJ, but it takes the whole package for it really to work. In this case, it's usually the most important part that is missing: attitude.

On another note, I check these forums around once a day and have for quite a while before I even made an account.. but lately there have been 2-3 people who keep bringing up the same stuff over and over. Please just stop, it's so old. (Talking about race/social circle issues or like the OP)

 

[rascal99v]

I honest, to god, do not see how HN is trolling. I don't see it here. ;

This is what he is saying


1. the forum says women are sluts and are easy

2. The avg guy on this forum isn't getting laid


Let me put it another way. Let's say you got transferred to a new school and the school was really easy and the class work was boring. Everyone talked about how easy / unchanging the classes are. Yet when you get your first report card, you got 2 D's and a bunch of C's lol.

Is it trolling to say.. you just... might not be that smart lol? Doesn't that make more sense than saying that the school is out to get you and that it's not setup for people like you to be successful? Wouldn't you get further alone understanding that you probably have to work harder than the guy next to you to get good grades and just leave it at that?


Some on this site love to use ad hominem based attacks to not have to deal with tough questions. I don't necessarily think the answer is that all PUA / DJ logic is bull****, but I do think he brings up an extremely valid question/ point; if women are easier now, and you have all this special knowledge, and you aren't getting laid, what's wrong?

use his POF openers and all your problems will be solved :crackup:

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

I'll admit that it's a tough pill to swallow. I see so many examples in real life of women going for or not going for guys based on looks or lack thereof. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong, and it's confirmation bias. I don't know. Other times, I see guys that I think are hideous with attractive women. But maybe I'm not a good judge because I'm not a chick. Plus some women go more for a certain TYPE of guy sometimes rather pure aesthetic looks.

It's all very confusing. We might never for sure. But I'm open to your thoughts on this one.

I look at a few different ways. Considering we're guys, and in all reality, a woman's physical appearance is most important to us. How do we rate women? By their looks. HB6-10. Well, that being said, have you ever been around a HB who has turned you off, even a little bit, by her personality, composure (or lack of), her annoyingness? Even though she's got a nice set of tits and a vagina down there, a woman is still able to somehow lose attractivness by the way she behaves. Would you agree? And we're men!! We don't give a $hit about that kind of stuff, right? Now, reverse that, how do you think a woman reacts to a man's behavior?

I've seen it, and been apart of it. Guys who think that a good looking guy can do or say whatever he wants and women will still go for him....does not know what he's talking about it. Yes, I agree, looks do matter. It would be idiotic to say that they don't. But, they're not as important as most men would seem to believe. It's not all about looks. If that was the case then every 10 chick would be with a 10 guy (gold diggers and ladder climbers aside).

Game does matter right? At least somewhat? So, does it only matter a certain amount, like it's only 10% of your attractivness, and that's the most you're going to get out of it. Like 10% of the pie? The rest of the attractiveness pie pieces are money, looks, power, etc. That all may add to it but I feel that just adds to your game, makes the game a little easier. But it's still game. I believe that if you have none of that: money, looks, power, social status, you can make up for all of it with the right amount of game. Yes, you may have to have a god dang $hit ton of it, but I still feel it can be done.

 

[Mike32ct]

Thanks Peaks. I have some replys I'll share later today.

 

[zekko]

Just because a guy says he an alpha, you should know better than to take that at face value. People give their own definition of alpha so that they can place themselves in that category.

Secondly, you are really going to go by a poll in the main discussion forum which is filled with people who need help?

No, I don't believe these guys are alpha, and I don't believe they are 8s in looks either. That's half the point.

2.If, however, you are socially calibrated and have tight game, the world is FILLED with sluts who want to hook up with you.

and

Game does matter right? At least somewhat? So, does it only matter a certain amount, like it's only 10% of your attractivness, and that's the most you're going to get out of it. Like 10% of the pie? The rest of the attractiveness pie pieces are money, looks, power, etc. That all may add to it but I feel that just adds to your game, makes the game a little easier. But it's still game. I believe that if you have none of that: money, looks, power, social status, you can make up for all of it with the right amount of game. Yes, you may have to have a god dang $hit ton of it, but I still feel it can be done.

This brings up the question "What is game?". My definition has always been "the skill with which you interact with the opposite sex, particularly your ability to attract them in a romantic or sexual manner". I would say that a guy who is socially calibrated doesn't need tight game, or more accurately, probably already has it.

I do think that guys without looks, money, or status can be successful with women - I've seen it. Some guys have enough natural charisma and confidence that they can charm women regardless. But again, a lot of this is natural, and I'm not so sure everyone can learn that, anymore than everyone can will themselves to look better.

Some would probably define "game" as being made up of tactics specific to PUA theory as taught here - negging, being unavailable, making her jealous by flirting with other girls, and the like. Frankly, I prefer my definition, because guys attract women in a lot of different ways. In fact, there are many different styles of pickup as well.

 

[HumbleNinja]

I completely agree with you, and that is my point.

Sooooo, if you don't believe all of these guys are alphas.....that sort of cuts off Ninja's argument right at the knees, doesn't it? The men asking for help and failing with chicks aren't PUA's at all but aspiring PUA's. Huge difference wouldn't you say?

Huge difference? PUA's 11 star DJs are "master seducers"? Uh ok. lol

The only dude who isn't PUA or a "DJ" that I can tell get's chicks is Good Looking Loser.

Fortunately for myself when you've grown up with several dudes like him and that guy Scotty your whole life you'll know the difference between dudes who really get chicks and those who mentally masturbate.

For some odd reason dudes think if they go for anyone it makes them "experts at getting chicks" when there's dudes who have standards and blow off more chicks than so called "PUA DJs" get.

Maybe if a few of us weren't from big cities, with no social circles who have and still do go to different places we'd believe the nonsense.

 

[sylvester the cat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-gZsXcRGk&list=PLF790EE5E22C5F6AE

 

[backbreaker]

I do think that guys without looks, money, or status can be successful with women - I've seen it. Some guys have enough natural charisma and confidence that they can charm women regardless. But again, a lot of this is natural, and I'm not so sure everyone can learn that, anymore than everyone can will themselves to look better.

what irks me about most men, is that they see that they aren't brad pitt looks wise, or aren't even good looking at all and they say "welp **** it, i'm ugly" and just don't even try. They don't try to get in shape, they don't groom well.

Even guys who don't have great genetic gifts can go a LOOONG way with women if you clean up well. Iron your clothes, brush your teeth, make sure you aren't ashy, throw on some cologne, keep your facial hair tight. Just because you aren't "hot" doesn't mean you can't be presentable / clean up well.

 

[rascal99v]

Some guys try to shoot too high with women and that is the problem. Not every guy will be dating a hot chick. So, they just have to accept reality. They should make improvements to help them get better women. If not, then get a woman similar to your looks range.

Funny how the ninja mocks the C@ck Carousel term after that's all he talked about in his POF threads. :crackup:

btw, you spelled carousel wrong.

 

[zekko]

Sooooo, if you don't believe all of these guys are alphas.....that sort of cuts off Ninja's argument right at the knees, doesn't it? The men asking for help and failing with chicks aren't PUA's at all but aspiring PUA's. Huge difference wouldn't you say?

I think the main thrust of what Ninja is trying to say, in his own special way, is that there is a lot of bullsh!t flying around here

Of course, what else can you expect when you are in a community that encourages you to be "delusionally self confident"? To walk around thinking you are a perfect 10? So when most of the posters say they are alphas or are 8s or above in looks, are they just full of sh!t or are they trying to generate a better attitude? And is there really a difference?

 

[backbreaker]

Sooooo, if you don't believe all of these guys are alphas.....that sort of cuts off Ninja's argument right at the knees, doesn't it? The men asking for help and failing with chicks aren't PUA's at all but aspiring PUA's. Huge difference wouldn't you say?

Not really. You're changing the goalposts.

The point being,

A. If girls today all ride the CC and are sluts

B. They are having sex with tons of guys, 99.9999% of the guys out there getting laid have never visited a PUA forum, sosuave.net, or the manosphere

C. The guys that come here after reading terabytes of information about how to get laid, are still not able to get laid despite having an infinite amount of information on the subject


= There are only 2 possible answers


1. something drastically wrong with a lot of guys on this forum that cuts a tad deeper than not being confident enough or not being hot enough


2. women in general are more complex than what alot of posters here would be lead to believe



I mean, danger, think about it. The MORE information we get on the subject, the more forums, blogs, articles that pop up, the WORSE the avg poster, reader tends to become. If anything, the gap between the haves and the have nots has widened in the 12 years when I got here. Either guys really really get it, or they really really don't.


I mean, when I came here I was the avg poster. A guy who wanted to learn how to be able to see women I wanted to see when I wanted to see them. I wanted to be able to spin plates. I wanted to always have dates. But, I had already had sex... a pretty good amount of sex at that, by the time I got here (18 years old). AS did most posters. I had had GFs, I had been in relationships, etc. I was clueless so to speak but I still had some tnagiable amount of sex with the opposite sex as to where I wasn't completely jaded about them

However now, as someone else pointed out in another thread, everyone here is a virgin it seems like. Everyone here hates women.


This is what I honestly think is happening. You have a lot of guys who are just hurt. They are so hurt, they can't see past their hurt. They are so hurt, and their egos are so bruised, that they are not able to see what needs to be fixed so they lash out, only making them less desirable.

When I first got here, the big thing was go out and approach 100 women as soon as you get not this forum. I did it. Actually i got to like 75 and i had so many numbers I stopped lol.

But the guy who just gets here today I would honestly, advice to take a year, or 2, away from dating altogether. Too hurt, to battered. Need to get your mind right, need to lose the bitterness.

I don't think most guys realize just how toxic their personalities are towards women. Women don't give a sh9it about hypergamy and **** Carousels they care about cute shoes and keeping up with the kardishans lol. Until you can relate to a woman, on a fun level like that, and not be bitter about it, you're going to be behind the 8 ball so to speak.

 

[zekko]

A. If girls today all ride the CC and are sluts

B. They are having sex with tons of guys, 99.9999% of the guys out there getting laid have never visited a PUA forum, sosuave.net, or the manosphere

C. The guys that come here after reading terabytes of information about how to get laid, are still not able to get laid despite having an infinite amount of information on the subject

Backbreaker has a point.
Danger is saying that it takes time to injest this stuff and to gain calibration through practice out in the field.
But still, if the information here is so valuable, why doesn't it give the new guys here an advantage over the average guys who don't read forums but are still out banging the sluts?

First off, there is no magic bullet.

Secondly, somewhere along the line, this place has turned away from actually interacting with and enjoying women to being butthurt and demonizing them. And the latter attitude is NOT going to get you laid. Even though all this "red pill" bitterness is being sold right along with all the other stuff that is supposed to make you attractive to women. When I got on this forum I was told that women were attracted to DJs. But what DJs are now are guys who have realized the "bitter truth".

I'm not saying there aren't genuine reasons to be upset with women, Lord knows there are. But wallowing in all that isn't going to make you successful with women. There's a thin line - when I came here I was told women want men who call them out on their bullsh!t, who will lead, and take command. There's a thin line between that and the bitterness, and I think too often lately that line has been crossed.