Idk how anyone can still believe in Hypergamy in 2025

[Clockwerk50]

Hypergamy, at its core, is about need fulfillment. People are drawn to those who can provide something they lack. This goes far beyond wealth or looks. It could be emotional security, a sense of adventure, social status, or even an escape from a boring life. A person's value is determined by what they represent to another, and like it or not, this can include their appearance, bank account or status, as people weigh different factors differently.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Are attention who3s still a thing?

 

[zekko]

Yeah, cash is similar to looks... While they're not a panacea, enhancing them does nothing but ease your burdens, even if in just small ways, such as servers being more likely to go the extra mile for you and not having to sweat paying the electric bill this month

You're right, but I don't even think of it in terms of women or other people. There's simply no downside to having money. Like you say, even a simple thing like paying your electric bill. There's an essence of being self sufficient there, of being able to take care of yourself. The one thing that trumps wealth is your health.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Every day i see ugly short guys with hot girls, ive had girls who were interested in me date a guy whos a complete genetic trash compared to me.

Status and criminality trump looks. That doesn’t mean hypergamy doesn’t exist. It’s just lookism is bunk.

 

[Manure Spherian]

You can NEVER fall in love with a woman.

I love my wife, the mother of my kids. I guess I’m doomed.

 

[Divorced w 3]

The main problem I have with this type of thread is that guys are looking at other guys and judging them as having no value, therefore they think women are dating guys with no value. But women see guys differently, and judge them in different ways. We aren't attracted to men, so sometimes what women see in some guys is an absolute mystery. I know it is to me. Sometimes you can tell, and sometimes you can't. Who am I to look at some guy and think "No woman would ever want to get with that guy"?



Of course, Brady married a supermodel who actually made a lot more money than he did. I'm sure they both had options off the charts. And she (allegedly) cheated on him with her jiu jitsu instructor, so he must have had some skills for a "manlet".

If anything, I think Brady had a chip on his shoulder and dated her for the status, because let’s be honest Giselle looks like a horse. Tom Brady is possibly the greatest underdog story in the history of sports. He was a backup at Michigan, 6th round draft pick in the nfl and would not have played if Drew Bledsoe wasn’t knocked out playing the Jets.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I love my wife, the mother of my kids. I guess I’m doomed.

My ex wife has tried some nasty stuff over the years since I filed on her but I still love her, we have three kids and she will always be their mother, and I will always have a great deal of affection for her and empathy for the position she’s in. She and I spoke for an hour yesterday regarding not just our children but the position she’s in as a single parent. She completely broke down which in a human way was very appreciated by me as it helped us bond again. It is preposterous to say men can’t love women.

 

[jhonny9546]

The game changed

Make a before and after comparision in what you think has changed from your experience.
Also, I also believe that most ideologies fail to tell you that "only" men who are committed to getting the package and have high SMV get laid.
Totally wrong.

Both in my experience and from what we see around us, there will be some women who will like men who complain, are needy, and talk "like women," yet they will get laid.

So it's not black and white.

But the advice you're given is to make you a better man, not necessarily to get laid.

 

[Beyond It]

I love my wife, the mother of my kids. I guess I’m doomed.

Why are you here? What were you missing? There’s a difference between loving another and falling in love.
How long does desire last?

 

[Vanderdonck]

Hypergamy is just a ten cent word that was tossed around by psuedo evo-psych bros to rationalize attraction they don't understand, or to explain away a woman's sexuality.

People are going to do what they think is best no matter what, I suppose that's what is meant by hypergamy but there are a lot of factors that go into trading up. And not every trade or dalliance is for this reason.

 

[characternote]

they're talking about online dating and cold approach

of course an ugly guy can end up with a fairly pretty girl who's he's known since college adn saw her every day for 2 years etc. Propinquity

But yeah, most guys have ZERO chance of banging some really hot random 18 year old from a cold approach in a bar or even getting her to swipe right if online

 

[Manure Spherian]

Why are you here? What were you missing? There’s a difference between loving another and falling in love.
How long does desire last?

I’m a former incel who racked up a moderate “body count” and then married (still married) and two kids. I’m here to discuss sexual dynamics and male-focused topics.

 

[Beyond It]

I’m a former incel who racked up a moderate “body count” and then married (still married) and two kids. I’m here to discuss sexual dynamics and male-focused topics.

Then carry on. People are entitled to their own ideas.

 

[Gamisch]

The main problem I have with this type of thread is that guys are looking at other guys and judging them as having no value, therefore they think women are dating guys with no value. But women see guys differently, and judge them in different ways. We aren't attracted to men, so sometimes what women see in some guys is an absolute mystery. I know it is to me. Sometimes you can tell, and sometimes you can't. Who am I to look at some guy and think "No woman would ever want to get with that guy"?



Of course, Brady married a supermodel who actually made a lot more money than he did. I'm sure they both had options off the charts. And she (allegedly) cheated on him with her jiu jitsu instructor, so he must have had some skills for a "manlet".

I took your post but the narrative from this thread is the same ,I could take @ValiantMale , @CornbreadFed @Solomon and other's posts as well just to be clear;

Here's the thing tho;

It's only takes one slip up from her to devastated said man that we see when we " touch grass". Talking bout grass: the grass always seems greener on the other side doesn't it?A workhusband, a orbiter, a nasty attitude, losing attraction, walking on eggshells, dead bedroom, I can go on and on..

I completely understand you're point. Still I have to stay...grounded in reality. Yes , average dude walks with a stroller, hb7 , sun shines eating icecream in the swimming pool all nice and dandy. Posting on the gram and buying a house with a 30 year mortgage. I see ..

Yet WE as " redpillers" know that behind the curtains many complex dynamics can and will be at play when you believe that you can "beta" you're way through life.

What's the endgoal?( from said guy) ? A life long lasting happy ltr? To stay with her forevah evah,evah evah? To get sex on a regular? To " be freed" from the hassle of dating?

Yes, average man can and will get her. I've been that dude. Many of us been that dude. yet I'm here...

And yet I wouldn't ve surprised if " said dude" finds his way to sosauve some day..

 

[Manure Spherian]

looks.

Correct. Lookism is nonsense.

 

[Gamisch]

they're talking about online dating and cold approach

of course an ugly guy can end up with a fairly pretty girl who's he's known since college adn saw her every day for 2 years etc. Propinquity

But yeah, most guys have ZERO chance of banging some really hot random 18 year old from a cold approach in a bar or even getting her to swipe right if online

Lol.

It's like my beta homies entered the chat and " put me in my place".

Yet all I hear IRL , notice, and observe are men walking on eggshells, deadrooms, dykes that want out, men that ditch their homies because the FINALLYYY got some p00sy, men that are rushing to get married , men that try to trap women any way possible by doing "bog things" as buying a house, giving her a position in the bizz, connecting her to family and so much more...

Deep down the fear of hypergamy is the root of this behaviour..IMHO..

 

[Gamisch]

I see online content by Redpillers/Blackpillers all kinds of filth, saying how women only go for top 1% of men and how 80% of men dont get laid, which is complete bs.
Every day i see ugly short guys with hot girls, ive had girls who were interested in me date a guy whos a complete genetic trash compared to me.
Ive seen this happen even to other men, a friend of mine hes like 6'3 decent looking guy yet has a hard time with girls.

And when i tell guys this they always reply with "its cuz those ugly guys have money" yeahh bro a college student who flips burgers for a living for sure has lots of money have those people ever left their homes? At College at work at high school all places ive seen ugly broke dudes pulling hot girls, women literally have negative standards and mfs telling me online that hypergamy is high lmao.

Women only care about social status and if your neurotypical, doesnt matter how rich and good looking you are, if your a neurodivergent male with low social status ur pulling nothing.

Hypergamy = female nature. What's your point?

It's a basic survival strategy women used for centuries. For all we know for millions of years.

If it didn't exist then sosuave.net would be down long time ago. Believe me; I'm hardwired bluepilled enough to wish and pray it " blew away" by now but unfortunately Hypergamy will always be present in our life...

 

[Divorced w 3]

But yeah, most guys have ZERO chance of banging some really hot random 18 year old from a cold approach in a bar

I did, and my buddy was wearing a gold Rolex

You can’t meet an 18 year old in a bar 98% of the time but I have a thread from a couple years ago , 21 year old college junior, in her off campus apartment , I was 38

I was wearing a Nike crew sweatshirt, torn jeans, a backward white cap, sneakers, nothing about me was screaming money , maybe the tip off was I had cash in my pocket which when they asked if I was in school (hi ego boost) I simply said no, I have cash in my pocket

I think people need to check their pessimistic thoughts at the door, this place is about breaking through that stuff

also pastel Nike crew sweatshirts are the best piece in my closet. Timeless

 

[BaronOfHair]

But yeah, most guys have ZERO chance of banging some really hot random 18 year old from a cold approach in a bar or even getting her to swipe right if online

Most guys, in their "natural state", have zero chance, same way most folks have no shot at getting past open mic night, if they keep going on as they have

When one starts acquiring proficiency(ies) though, your prospects for mating with extraordinarily beautiful women and becoming a paid regular at the most prominent clubs becomes remarkably high

 

[ValiantMale]

For sure height and looks help especially height, ive seen it myself me getting taller helped me gain lots of respect, but it seriously doesnt help much when u have little to no social status which in my case ive been like that since hs ended a while ago, what can i say women hate guys with low social status, so much hate that ive had this girl who was interested in me literally get the ick the second she saw my snapscore, she looked at me like i was a serial killer lmao, she said "umm do u even talk to anyone" that ruined it forever it was ggs with her, also another girl get weirded out when she realised i basically have just a few low status friends and im not into npc trends/music, this is why i mentioned if ur not a neurotypical person your gonna have a hard time, i just cant with girls my age (late teens/ early 20s) if u dont have a huge social circle/social status, your life is over, girls value that a lot.

But yes i 100% agree with that women would choose a taller guy than a short one if both had the same personality lifestyle.

Yeah it sucks dealing with women that can be that superficial, if you don't match those superficialities that they are into.

But ill be honest-- we call it "GAME" but it really is a game. You can hack the system easily.. Get a motorcycle, trendy haircut, tattoos and watch how much more attraction and attention you get from women.. its wild. I've seen the wild change in men who didn't have much going fo rthem to just hacking it by doing those things I Mentioned... shows you in our western society, theres plenty of superficial bimbos to go around.