"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ideas for dates

MikeEdward1973

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I've been doing a lot of dinner & drinks for dates, and I'd like to mix it up.

I'd definitely appreciate it if you guys could throw out some ideas for dates in the real early stages (like 3rd/4th/5th date type of stuff).
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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driving range. show her how you grip your shaft and wack those balls.
 

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MikeEdward1973 said:
I'd definitely appreciate it if you guys could throw out some ideas for dates in the real early stages (like 3rd/4th/5th date type of stuff).
Take her on a hike, someplace beautiful. I recently went on a hike with a gal that took us to some breath-taking waterfalls.

She surprised me by bringing a bottle of wine (and scored major points with me).

You can really learn a lot about a woman by going on a hike with her. Not for 1st date, but for a 3rd or 4th....
 

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This is a really different idea for those couples who want something unique to throw into the usual dates! My boyfriend and I did this last weekend, with 4 other couples - its a "more the merrier" type thing - but even two can have a blast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Find a local water sports shop, scuba diving retail shop, or scuba diving place. We live in Idaho so you dont have to have an ocean! A lot of these scuba diving places will have mini-scuba lessons that you can sign up for. The shops have pools in their locations, in our case the scuba shop we went to was a retail shop but it had a 12.5' indoor pool / hotub to take the lesson in. We got to take a mini lesson (which to my surprise was more extent than I expected) and we got to dive around for over an hour plus they provided all of the equipment we needed! It was something so different than any of us have ever done and it was a blast! It was pretty cheap too ($15 a person). Our instructor was saying they usually have a lot of High School kids want to do this for prom/homecomming dances.
 
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Mr.Positive said:
Take her on a hike, someplace beautiful. I recently went on a hike with a gal that took us to some breath-taking waterfalls.

She surprised me by bringing a bottle of wine (and scored major points with me).

You can really learn a lot about a woman by going on a hike with her. Not for 1st date, but for a 3rd or 4th....

Hiking on the third date? I hope she's not a psycho or something!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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My Name is Nobody said:
Hiking on the third date? I hope she's not a psycho or something!
Remember to weed out the pychos by the 2nd date. If you do not, it's your own fault.
 

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Bowling, ice skating, pool hall, racketball, roller skating
(inside like in the 70's), art museum/gallery, antique/retro/vintage "shopping" for the day, historic places like old cathedrals, old brewery/other factory tours, zoo, comedy clubs, miniature golf, go-karting, picnic at a beautiful park, mystery/theatrical dinner, local theatre troupe performance/play, poetry reading night at a coffee house. I actually like to go to lectures and talk about it afterwards, but I am a dork LOL Just have fun together :)
 

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Great ideas LovelyLady!! Go-karting....unique! I may have to try that one, I'm a big fan of action dates.

By the 3rd or 4th date, you can really get creative and fun, IMO.

Here's another idea Mike: Kayaking.

I did this recently. I found a place nearby where I live where you can rent kayaks for the day. Great fun.

If you can get the gal to do something "out of the norm" for her, she will remember it for a long time.
 

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Another idea (if she's physically fit). Find in indoor rock climbing gym and take rock climbing classes together.
 

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There r some ideas:-
Dinner & a Movie
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Movie's are not just popcorn times anymore. Most cities now have dinner theaters that show movies as well as serve meals. Enjoy a movie, eat a good meal, and enjoy each other's company with your own private table rather than squished in two theater seats.

Cultural Dinners
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Expand your horizon's with a dinner out at a cultural restaurant that neither of you have tried.

Go Out for Dinner
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We're not talking just a normal dinner... this needs to be a romantic dinner! Go to a 5-star restaurant and enjoy a gourmet meal by candlelight. Heck, you can even make McDonald's meal romantic with some intimate conversation.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Every idea stated is good stuff :yes: .

I think the most important aspect is often the most overlooked; it's about the mystique and intrigue of it. Keep her on her toes and wondering, always allow her mind to ponder the possiblity of the event.

Here's one which I used on Mrs. K not too long ago:

I called her cell and left a message to shower and freshen herself for an extraordinary evening. That's it. Be promptly ready at 1800 and I'll be home to swing by and get her.

This alone made her giddy and amped up her anticipation.

Next, we head east on I-4 Orlando bound (which is all I would leak). We got to Benihana for fantastic sushi and conversation and lovey dovey kinda junk (I know, I'm a hopeless romantic. Sue me! ). From there we walked Citywalk and I took her shopping and some cigar pontificating. Once we left there we headed back towards the house but at the last minute I pulled into Toys R Us and we chased each other around the store shooting each other with nerf guns!

I don't have to elaborate on dessert once we got back home :p :crazy: !

It truly is all about the spontaneity of the thing. It's not hard. If you find something fun and enjoyable she'll become attune to your enthusiasm and get crazy with it.
 

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This is a really different idea for those couples who want something unique to throw into the usual dates! My boyfriend and I did this last weekend, with 4 other couples - its a "more the merrier" type thing - but even two can have a blast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Find a local water sports shop, scuba diving retail shop, or scuba diving place. We live in Idaho so you dont have to have an ocean! A lot of these scuba diving places will have mini-scuba lessons that you can sign up for. The shops have pools in their locations, in our case the scuba shop we went to was a retail shop but it had a 12.5' indoor pool / hotub to take the lesson in. We got to take a mini lesson (which to my surprise was more extent than I expected) and we got to dive around for over an hour plus they provided all of the equipment we needed! It was something so different than any of us have ever done and it was a blast! It was pretty cheap too ($15 a person). Our instructor was saying they usually have a lot of High School kids want to do this for prom/homecomming dances.
 
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