"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I was turned into the chauffeur

AmIAFC

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Girl I met one day -- who was leaving to go back to Ohio the next day -- wanted to go out one night, so I picked her up and we took a trip downtown (we had a good convo on the road, and I used kino). She wanted to go to a spot where her girlfriend (also came down from Ohio) was waiting, so we head there and we hang out with her hot girlfriend.

Anyway, the ladies didn't want their night to end, so instead of them going their separate ways, the girl I drove down there asked me if her girlfriend could tag along. Third wheels are a *****, although this one was good to look at. I drove these two girls to an after-party spot and I danced with both of them individually. Other than that, they basically chilled on the bar stools, with me close-by trying to re-initiated convo with the first girl.

Sigh, after-party shut-down and the second girl wanted a ride home. This would all but ruin my shot to close with the first girl since they were both staying in the same spot. And it did. :mad:

Now they're back in Ohio. I feel like a friggin sucker. Was this all planned by the first chic? What could/should I have done differently?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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You were a tour guide for a couple "out of towners ".

You need one of those magnetic signs to stick on your car. " Free City Tours"
 

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Yeah...f*ck that sh*t. I've gotten suckered into that kind of mess before too. Either relegate them BOTH to friend status and use them as pivots to hit on other girls, or just don't even walk into that situation.,
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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You met a chick who was going back home to Ohio the next day. What did you expect would happen? I swear, just because a woman fains interest doesn't mean you must act upon it.
 

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you miss 100% of the shots you don't take ! !

don't feel bad, we have all been there .....

:rockon:
 

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Let me ask the question... in hindsight, would it have been better for you, ie. made you feel better if you had said no right from the word go, and fcuked it if she started making a fuss?
 

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She wanted to go to a spot where her girlfriend (also came down from Ohio)
Oh man, this reminds me of when I first found this site many moons ago. I met this girl at the bar who was REALLY into me. She was giving me the buying signals like you wouldn't fvcking believe. She had an AFC friend there who was trying to protect her from "jerks" and had declared her feelings to her. There was another guy who was doing what I should have been doing (hitting on her), and her mom was there too.

I thought I was the great one who drove all those guys to her house, and then drove her mother to her house. Hell, I even posted a tip here about it, and got verbally stomped by the more experienced DJs (don't look for that post, it disappeared years ago).

I made it my vow NEVER to play chauffer again, and I never have. As long as you learn from one mistake, you won't ever make it again.
 

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LOL.

Pretty hillarious. Especially with gasoline prices hitting an all time high.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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Latinoman said:
LOL.

Pretty hillarious. Especially with gasoline prices hitting an all time high.
Y'know, this situation is far off from one of a guy dropping a ton of money at a strip club. All he's paying for is the attention of a woman. When it's all done, he still goes home alone.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Y'know, this situation is far off from one of a guy dropping a ton of money at a strip club. All he's paying for is the attention of a woman. When it's all done, he still goes home alone.
Very well said.
 

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"You know, we're probably never going to see each other again. But you are so sexy and I am so attracted to you. Let's just hook-up and you'll never hear from me again."

Out-of-town girls or girls on vacation are the easiest prey there is. Next time go hard.
 

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JustDoItAlways said:
"You know, we're probably never going to see each other again. But you are so sexy and I am so attracted to you. Let's just hook-up and you'll never hear from me again."

Out-of-town girls or girls on vacation are the easiest prey there is. Next time go hard.
Good point. I'm gonna file this one away just in case. :up:
 

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AmIAFC said:
She wanted to go to a spot where her girlfriend (also came down from Ohio) was waiting, so we head there and we hang out with her hot girlfriend

Anyway, the ladies didn't want their night to end, so instead of them going their separate ways, the girl I drove down there asked me if her girlfriend could tag along.

Sigh, after-party shut-down and the second girl wanted a ride home. This would all but ruin my shot to close with the first girl since they were both staying in the same spot. And it did. :mad:

Now they're back in Ohio. I feel like a friggin sucker. Was this all planned by the first chic? What could/should I have done differently?
Hell yeah it was all planned. She never had no intentions of being around you other than what you stated in the title of this thread as a chauffuer.

What you should've done when you realized this was to give her a BS line about having to leave the club early, leave both of them stranded, and go somewhere else to party.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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What you should've done when you realized this was to give her a BS line about having to leave the club early, leave both of them stranded, and go somewhere else to party.
Wouldn't have worked since it was late and they wanted to go anywhere I was going. They're from Ohio and were pretty cautious of the Washington DC night scene.

They're coming back to the area in July. This won't happen again.
 

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AmIAFC said:
Girl I met one day -- who was leaving to go back to Ohio the next day -- wanted to go out one night, so I picked her up and we took a trip downtown (we had a good convo on the road, and I used kino). She wanted to go to a spot where her girlfriend (also came down from Ohio) was waiting, so we head there and we hang out with her hot girlfriend.
This sh1t happens. Next time do not volunteer your services for chicks you barley know because you are just supplicating and expecting a return to your investment without establishing interest. Your game should bring out her interest in you without supplicating for approval.
 

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should have went for that threesome ;)

"you want to go home? the party is just getting started.." then you proceed to take them both to your place and show them where the magic happens..

;)
 

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AmIAFC said:
Wouldn't have worked since it was late and they wanted to go anywhere I was going. They're from Ohio and were pretty cautious of the Washington DC night scene.

They're coming back to the area in July. This won't happen again.
Well in that case, you should've left altogether and left them stranded irregardless. Now that you know their gameplan, you know to avoid them altogether.
 

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AmIAFC said:
Wouldn't have worked since it was late and they wanted to go anywhere I was going. They're from Ohio and were pretty cautious of the Washington DC night scene.

They're coming back to the area in July. This won't happen again.
They should have taken the Metro.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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