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Re: Property location field report

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Well, I've had an interesting day:

I went down to Long Beach City Hall...
It's good to see that you are getting out there. Just poking around asking questions doesn't cost anything other than gas, and you would be amazed how much you learn just being in the element.
 

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Just to clear things up, if you wanted to be rich by 21 you should have forgone college.... you don't need it if you want to start a business anyway, you know that.
For those interested, starting a legal business is not that hard:

You just have to get registered federally declaring yourself a business and telling them what type, getting your Employer Identification Number at the same time. If you're a partnership or sole proprietor, taxes pass straight through to the individual(s) and you simply do regular income taxes

get your state sales tax ID if you do retail sales so you can collect tax and be registered in the state. You will turn sales tax in quarterly.

you don't have to but it is a good idea to register a DBA name, which is simply what your business is going to be called.

get local business license (register business name with city). Here the city collects 1% of profits every year.

I started my own business a year ago hoping to make it big in e-commerce, starting with Ebay as a way to generate money to feed the business, selling shirts but I have since learned ONE VERY IMPORTANT lesson: It takes money to make money.
While there are rare instances of fortunes being built with under $1000 startup, I couldn't. I didn't fail, because I have made some profit, but it is slow and basically pointless if you don't start with a lot of money, preferably like at least $20K, depending on what you're doing. Anyone with enough money is bound to succeed, but unless you have a rich uncle or like to gamble with maxxing out credit cards, you're going to have to work a regular job to first of all make that startup money.

There is no guarantee in business you'll succeed. If you have the brains for it and would be happy with $200K to $500K average salary (with some making over $1 million) then I think you should just go to medical school and be a doctor or something, seriously. Unless of course you have zero interest in that. But like I say, if you can get through med school, you're basically GUARANTEED a salary WELL into the 6 figure range. I bet most small business owners struggle to make 6 figures period, and get gray hairs in the process. I am just putting this out there for you to think about, I know you probably are already set on business, I myself am considering it, but I want to guarantee myself money so I never have to worry about it again so I reconsidered. As a side note, many surgeons retire, with millions, by the time they are in their mid- 40s.
 

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i dont think you can be a millionaire at 21 if you are just 18, except you inherit a huge amount, or you hit a top modelling contract with an agency, or your house gets hit by a nasa satalite from space, or you write a good anime series like naruto,(just kidding) anyway, working your ass off wont just do it luck is involved just saying the truth, you have to sometimes face reality, maybe 24 ,25 if you start now you can reach your goal by then but doing some minor job wont get you the money banks wont take you seriously at this age most guys i know plan to be millionaire before they are 30 and thats the smartest way to put it. the truth is like the poster above me said if you arnt confident in yourself then better do a medical course,or something like that because your bound to hit the bigbucks that way. if you asked me 100k a year is a goodthing, many small businesses dont even have that kinda annuall earnings most ppl wont earn that in a lifetime. it depends on what you are content with, i got a friend whos yearly earnings from his business is 50k, and he is happy with that,
some guys here exarggarate thier success to ppl theyll never see, i dont know why.
 

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Yet it is all coming out from the mouth of those who have failed to reach their goal or people without determination to push further.

Basically, "it doesn't work; I don't think you can do it by the age XX."

My god-sister's mother retired at the age of 24. What did she do? All she did was buy properties.

My best friend's father retired at the age of 23.
My best friend's cousin doesn't even work, he learned from his cousin's father (my best friend's father) on how to own his own business, quickly got rich at the age of 19 and retired at the age of 20.

It's simple, the process of owning a business, yet it's the hardest to understand. Most people do the same thing over and over expecting a result that just don't seem to work.

Then they blame the system, "the Department of Economic says... my parents don't have that much money... it takes money to make money..."

And they relief themself of their mistakes.

Excuses excuses.
 

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Originally posted by sifer
Yet it is all coming out from the mouth of those who have failed to reach their goal or people without determination to push further.

Basically, "it doesn't work; I don't think you can do it by the age XX."

My god-sister's mother retired at the age of 24. What did she do? All she did was buy properties.

My best friend's father retired at the age of 23.
My best friend's cousin doesn't even work, he learned from his cousin's father (my best friend's father) on how to own his own business, quickly got rich at the age of 19 and retired at the age of 20.

It's simple, the process of owning a business, yet it's the hardest to understand. Most people do the same thing over and over expecting a result that just don't seem to work.

Then they blame the system, "the Department of Economic says... my parents don't have that much money... it takes money to make money..."

And they relief themself of their mistakes.

Excuses excuses.
So you're already a millionaire, right Sifer?
 

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"god-sister's mother"? What the hell is that? And anyway, you did say "all she did was buy properties" so guess what, SHE HAD MONEY. IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY. You have to have something to start with or you won't ever make it. It looks to me like your best friend apparently had a wealthy family, so their success didn't come out of nothing man. You conveniently left out the part about HOW they got rich, so go ahead and tell us. If they "bought properties" they had to start with some money, or get loans or something. Real estate is where one can make a lot of money, but very few get rich off of it, they work just like the rest of us.

Look man, I have business plans, things I could at least try, but I will NEVER be able to try them unless I get some money, and to get some money, I will have to get a decent paying career after college and put some of that money I make towards my business. That is the only way I see it. If your stories are about people who come from rich families, which they seem to be, I don't even give a fu-ck, because if you start poor, things are completely different. Any idiot can throw around daddy's million dollars and start a half-ass successful business, but it takes a genius or pure luck to start with very little.
 

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pimp..............

pimpfromdayone,

Hey pal, you got that right........

It is easy to sit back and become a real estate 'guru' or own your own business when 'mommy and daddy' set you up.

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longwood

longwood,

Starting a business?

IRS reports state that 95% of all new start-up companies do not make it to the 5 year mark.....

cave dweller
 

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page....

page,

Do you want to get into the real estate game?

A tip here:

Do your homework..............................

cave dweller
 

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If they "bought properties" they had to start with some money, or get loans or something. Real estate is where one can make a lot of money, but very few get rich off of it, they work just like the rest of us.
Key words- "or get loans or something". The poor get rich borrowing money, and the rich get richer in the same way.

Anyone who puts in the time and effort can get rich off of real estate. You keep saying, "can't, can't, can't" so of course YOU can't. It's the people who say, "I have no money to start, HOW can I make this happen?" that do make it.

If your stories are about people who come from rich families, which they seem to be, I don't even give a fu-ck, because if you start poor, things are completely different. Any idiot can throw around daddy's million dollars and start a half-ass successful business, but it takes a genius or pure luck to start with very little.
It's just as easy to be a rich idiot as it is to be a poor one, probably even easier!

Wealth doesn't magically flow to someone JUST because they have money to start with. It is definitely easier to get rolling if you understand how it all works, but if you don't it won't make much difference. Even if daddy gives you $500,000 cash to start with most people wouldn't have a problem spending that in a few months.
 

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I'm sorry, but I haven't had time to read through some of the post, so forgive me if I am just reiterating some comments, I'm sure there's some great stuff from some very wise people here.

There's nothing like a man in a hurry. You will get somewhere fast, that may be a good thing. You may become rich by 21 but broke by 25. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The one thing I would say that you should really think about is this.....


No one ever got rich doing a high paid job they hate.

Do what you Love, find how you can do it and provide a service to others. This is the ONLY way. You don't need motivation, you don't need to force yourself, you do it because you love the process, ....... and the money follows.

You may ignore these comments feeling that they don't apply to you, that's fine, there's nothing quite like the experience you get yourself, good or bad.
 

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Actually, many people have gotten rich doing things they don't love, like those neurosurgeons who have $1.3 million dollar salaries. And STR8UP, I fail to see your point. Let me give a couple examples of how people WITH money can much more easily MAKE MORE money:
Puff Daddy (now P. Diddy, I hate that name) starting own clothing line, and the other rappers starting their own lines.
Olsen Twins doing same thing, but they started as actors.
Other artists becoming producers after their success and becoming 10 times as successful.
All groups getting much richer.

I don't feel like listing more, but you get the point. Actually, I can see what you're saying: borrow money to make it happen. Well, that might work, but I think borrowing money to put into something as risky as this is like borrowing money for the stock market or borrowing money to gamble, and there's only so much you can borrow.
 

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Originally posted by pimpfromdayone
And STR8UP, I fail to see your point. Let me give a couple examples of how people WITH money can much more easily MAKE MORE money:
Of course it's much easier when you have money! The point I was trying to make is that even if you do start out at a financial advantage it doesn't mean that you will be able to make your money grow.

You take for granted that the people you mentioned ONLY become more successful because of money. You are neglecting to account for the other factors that play an important part in compounding their success. I don't care HOW much money they have, they wouldn't be able to expand into other areas without connections and experience.

If you think that having money will solve all of your problems you are sadly mistaken. A million dollars can be spent on a house and a couple of cars. Money is only one part of the equation!
 

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Originally posted by Alpine
No one ever got rich doing a high paid job they hate.

Do what you Love, find how you can do it and provide a service to others. This is the ONLY way. You don't need motivation, you don't need to force yourself, you do it because you love the process, ....... and the money follows..
That's because your job won't make you rich. It has nothing to do whether or not you enjoy it.

Even if you live to wake up early every morning and can't wait to get to work every day, this IS NOT the key to wealth. At best it is the key to surviving day to day and socking away a few dollars every month.

It isn't that you shouldn't seek happiness, but you need to understand the difference between making a living and creating wealth.
 

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http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/SavingandDebt/P80541.asp

interesting more stuff----

Time is money. Never was that more true than during the Internet boom, when billion-dollar fortunes were created virtually overnight and stocks tripled in a day. Who had time to waste building a fortune the old-fashioned way, over several decades?

Today, the Internet gold rush has gone bust. But the public is still hooked on this idea: You, too, can be an instant millionaire -- or at least, marry one.

Our obsession with millionaires (or wanting to be one) doesn't always jibe with reality. Want to think like a millionaire? Come back down to earth and forget about instant riches. A study of more than 1,000 millionaires yields some surprising conclusions. They aren't jet-setters flying here and there, and they aren't the fashion models shown on television. They didn't make their money overnight -- or during market hours.

Yet that is what many of us have come to expect. Becoming a millionaire on television is not a new idea. But when John Beresford Tipton sent Michael Anthony out to deliver that million-dollar check (in the 1950s show, "The Millionaire"), it was considered a true oddity and a life-changing event. And marrying a millionaire isn't a new concept, either, in spite of the fact that the women's movement thought it had passed beyond that dependency. It's only the "instant" part of this age-old tradition that has changed the game.

When the hare beats the tortoise
If television is the mirror of our society, then it surely has caught the mood of the times. Faster than even the Federal Reserve can create new "money" through its control of the nation's banking reserves, game-show contestants get rich in between commercials. The hare beats the tortoise every time, and there is no long run in this race.

So who needs to attend to the age-old principles of building wealth? Why bother spending less than you earn -- and invest the difference -- to create wealth? Many people wonder: "Why place a premium on traditional values?" Whether in business or personal life, values and valuations have been turned upside down.

Since tech stocks fell through the floor, hardly anyone expects to get rich overnight on high-flying stocks. Even the TV bride who married the millionaire quickly learned that appearances can deceive.

No longer do college students expect to become instant millionaires by starting dot-com companies, akin to high school students dreaming of becoming NBA all-stars. Sure, a very few with great talent will make it to the top, but the rest will have to rely on other skills to take them through life.

Motivated by business, not by wealth
And if you ask those who've already become millionaires what their lives are like, you might be surprised. I highly recommend the new book, "The Millionaire Mind," by Dr. Thomas J. Stanley, author of the best seller "The Millionaire Next Door." He surveyed nearly 1,000 of the nation's millionaires, and what he found may surprise you. First, he sorted out those who were "balance-sheet" millionaires and those who simply lived an affluent lifestyle while burdened with debt. Balance-sheet millionaires tended to own their homes without a mortgage, while those who merely lived a wealthy lifestyle carried jumbo loans. Millionaires with assets between $2 million and $5 million live, on average, in homes that are valued at $355,000 (based on the Internal Revenue Service database figures).

The millionaires in his survey tend to have started businesses, and have built their wealth by finding a profitable niche. They tend to love what they do and are motivated by building the business, not by building wealth.

They live comfortable lifestyles, but are not wasteful. In a fascinating example, most of the millionaires in the survey report they buy expensive shoes, but almost all have them resoled. For the most part, they remain married to supportive and responsible spouses who run economically productive households -- from clipping coupons to buying household supplies in bulk. Bottom line: They spend less than they earn.

When it comes to investments, these millionaires look to the stock market primarily as a place to grow capital once their businesses have matured. They are not speculators in the markets, rarely visit a casino and almost never buy lottery tickets. Of course, you might figure that they don't need to speculate, since they're already wealthy. But perhaps these stable qualities are the reason they got wealthy in the first place.

Two common characteristics
There's one other surprising component of this survey. Most of these millionaires were not at the tops of their classes in school, nor did they score the highest on their SATs. To the contrary, many were only average students, or had been told by their teachers that they'd never succeed. As a result, they developed a determination and resilience that helped them in business, and they learned to compensate for lack of academic skill by learning leadership through other means, such as through sports.

The two characteristics that all the self-made millionaires have in common: They think differently from the crowd, and they have a strong belief in themselves.

Now, it could be argued that all the millionaires in Stanley's survey were "old" millionaires -- at least, that they made their millions in the Old Economy. That's how they showed up on the databases of the IRS and Census Bureau, which were the sources for finding his subjects.

But do you really believe the basic rules of creating -- and keeping -- wealth have changed just because technology is changing the way we communicate, shop and plan? That's quite a leap.

Yes, you might be one of the very few techno-geniuses who create a new technology that is appreciated by the market. And you might either be employed by or invest in one of those new companies. But in the long run, the attributes of "The Millionaire Mind" seem universally useful in coming out ahead in the long run. And, after all, that's how you really keep score -- over the long run.
 

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21 is not a reasonable amount of time. Buy n hold real estate wont get ya there.
 

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check this out....

longwood,

Check this out........

Many people with wealth talk big sh1t, but:

J.Paul Gettys' dad was a wealthy man.

Howard Hughes talked big stuff....but, his dad was wealthy. (and left it to him)

Donald Trump does not talk about his dad, who, was a big time real esate 'guru' in New Your City. (hell, if my dad owned over 400 rental units in NYC I might be some real estate 'guru', also).

Ted Kennedy fails to talk about Joe (his dad) who left him millions....

My neighbor (Louie) talks big real estate stuff, but his mommy left him 54 houses (free and clear), when she pasted away........

My friend Eddy talks big stuff (his daddy left him 15 million in cash).

So, what I am saying here is ---There are two sides to this picture called wealth.

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Anybody who thinks they can somehow easily become rich with NO money are lying to themselves.... the odds of that are very slim. It is possible to get big loans and succeed, but again, money breeds more money. Most of those "special" millionaires you're talking about had nothing in them that the rest of us don't have. Many people work hard, many people strive to be successful, few get lucky. For the sports stars, they worked hard, but they had God-given natural athletic abilities built into their genes. For people like Oprah, well, they just got lucky. Oil tycoons were just in the right place at the right time, Bill Gates got lucky as far as I'm concerned.... the idea to create Windows was PURE creativity, it could have never crossed his mind. You somehow assume that rich people all get there by working really hard, but that's just not true, so stop saying it. I am talking about really rich btw, not the doctors and lawyers and other professionals out there who earn "good" money just by getting a lot of education, that's completely different.
And Donald Trump is a moron. He's one of those guys who would never make it anywhere with women if he wasn't rich, he is just that bad, so don't go talking like the guy is anything different than you or me. Yeah, we all believe him when he says he wakes up at 5:00 AM every morning :rolleyes: . He's such a big talker, someone needs to ask him how "daddy's business" is doing.
 

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^^^^^^ I agree with what you are saying! Achieving wealth from nothing, is dam near impossible in the era we live in. You have to have money coming in, to start buying real estate and making riches.

I read a book that someone here recommended (Russ Whitney) and i believe his techniques and style aren't relevant in the time we live in now--obviously it worked in the 80's, but not TODAY!

You individuals that say luck and timing have nothing to do with achieving success are kidding yourself.

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BTW...I know people who catch every break in life and i know others whom life has been very hard on--it's like bad luck and misfortune seem to always find them.
 
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Originally posted by Interpol
So you're already a millionaire, right Sifer?
You really are a bitter man Interpol.
I can't blame you though, I used to be like you, in fact, if I was in your position I'd be just as bitter as you, not to mention, sarcastic.

I'm not even sure why because you never reveal it. You sound like you have pink cheeks.

I'm not a millionaire Interpol but I also wasn't the one who started the thread about being a millionaire by the time he's 21.

If you want to know, I have more money than most people on this board, a lot more and for that same reason I can also guarantee people like STR8UP have more than most people too.

And I'm talking money in terms of hard green doughs, not equity or bond.

I'm only 18 and never graduated high school. Most people graduated high school or college and are in debt and have either absolutely no starting point or just struggling while starting out.

My point is, you should look to yourself Interpol and ask, "how do I get what I want?"
 
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