"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I tried to make a LTR work and I sunk into an old trap

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I'm being too nice.

I met this girl well over a year ago but didn't start flirting with her until ~6 weeks ago. I flirted with her over the span of the weekend, we made out, then later in the week we had sex, then a few more times and so on.

I decided that I enjoyed who she was as a person and I got the vibe that she was into me too. So we started going on dates as well.

After a couple dates and a lot of sex, she goes cold. Backs way off. This comes completely by surprise to me.

She says her sex drive disappeared because of some very stressful situations going on in her life. These are legitimate stressful situations, not some excuse she made up in order to not hurt my feelings. Though she could be using legitimate situations to make an excuse.

She seems to want to wait it out and see what happens. I'm impatient.

Now...we hug, we kiss, we talk, but no clothes come off. I'm turning into a nice guy.

These are what I see as my options:
Keep doing what I'm doing. Be her friend. Be her cuddle ***** and hope the sex drive randomly comes back.
Back off a little. No more hugs, no more kisses, no more hanging out in non-group situations. Then, when the time seems right, make a move again.
Back off a lot. Avoid conversation, avoid seeing her, whatever. Make a move again way down the road, if I feel so inclined.

If I don't make a decision and stick to it, I'm probably going to stick with the nice guy thing, which doesn't really have a very high chance for success.

Now...I need some outside, unbiased input. Thoughts?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Do you want to be this girl's friend? If so, sure continue to cuddle and hug her like you would your mom.

However, if I were you I'd drop this girl and look for another. She's not giving you anything you want, so what's the point? These "stressful" problems that are sending her sex drive down ARE excuses for her no being turned on by you.

She knows she can have you, so theres no challenge to come get you. A lot of women are like this.

See other girls, and stop talking to this one unless she starts making moves on you.
 

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WC2 said:
Do you want to be this girl's friend? If so, sure continue to cuddle and hug her like you would your mom.

However, if I were you I'd drop this girl and look for another. She's not giving you anything you want, so what's the point? These "stressful" problems that are sending her sex drive down ARE excuses for her no being turned on by you.

She knows she can have you, so theres no challenge to come get you. A lot of women are like this.

See other girls, and stop talking to this one unless she starts making moves on you.
Logically...I know this. I tried to do it once and failed miserably.

So...what then? Just start ignoring her texts/calls/IMs?
 

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ersit said:
Logically...I know this. I tried to do it once and failed miserably.

So...what then? Just start ignoring her texts/calls/IMs?
Move on. If she comes back, she comes back. If not, not. This is the essence of being a man.
 

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ersit said:
So...what then? Just start ignoring her texts/calls/IMs?
I think there's a happy medium to be found between going completely cold (shutting off all communication) and continuing to be her friend with no benefits.

Tell her you think it's a good idea for you two to have space since she's got so much going on.

One of two things will then happen -- if she's using the "no sex drive" as an excuse to hide the fact she isn't sexually attracted to you anymore, she'll just fade into the background (probably happy that you got the hint). If she's still into you, she'll realize that she has to put out in order to keep you and get her own head screwed on straight.

Either way, a slow retreat is a good way to remove yourself here.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Out of the rut. For now. Her ex pulled some dumb move to incite a fight between me and the girl. The battling ended with me ready to kick her to the curb and her saying that she "doesn't want to lose me."

So...I'll see if I can pull something worthwhile out of the situation...or just kick her to the curb. Win-win.
 
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