"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I think I blew the Kiss

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First of all i think I blew the kiss with this girl and she flaked. I went on a bunch of dates with her say 7 or 8, I really had her attention. Got plenty of chances for kisses and I took them, but somehow the kisses were always not at the greatest timming or a bad position.

Well a couple of the times I didnt really take the initiative like I should have. And I think I blew it. The kisses never lasted very long, prolly 15 seconds at the most. I dunno why it was just always at a bad time!!

So last week friday, she LJBed me. I told her I was done with her then. I dunno I've been thinkin about her alot and I thought about just caving and being friends, I was gonna call her today.

Advise ME!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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if you wanna be with her as her bf you cannot be just friends with her. If, however, you are satisfied with being just friends with her then so be it.

if you went on 7 or 8 dates with her and only kissed her for a maximum of 15 seconds at one time then theres something wrong. you probably should have led her to a position where it was good to kiss her and then persued that.
 
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TheHoff said:
if you wanna be with her as her bf you cannot be just friends with her. If, however, you are satisfied with being just friends with her then so be it.

if you went on 7 or 8 dates with her and only kissed her for a maximum of 15 seconds at one time then theres something wrong. you probably should have led her to a position where it was good to kiss her and then persued that.
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No it was not the total of all the kisses the longest kiss i got was prolly 15 seconds. And is there anyway to change my position in her life without being friends?
 
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Thats what i meant!!
A friend and a boyfriend are 2 different things!! i can't promise you anything as you certainly can't force her into liking you. Main advice is just not to be too boring, and be a challenge if possible!
 
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