"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I say, bit of bad luck. Maybe a lot!

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I'm a senior in college, and there are far more girls than guys. But why do I get the bad luck all the time? I dress well, I keep myself clean, I'm popular, I've got ambition and potential, but why the hell I can't get a girl to save my life, let alone get a girlfriend or a date? WTF? Am I undesirable?

To prove that point, I remember I got very physical with this hb10 from chicago, and she said I'd have to be her boyfriend after all that (hugging and all that goodness, no sex here.) We then find ourselves in the girls' dorm lounge, me on top of her, kissing up a storm for about an hour until I got kicked out. Couldn't wait to smash, but it couldn't be that night because her roomate was in her room. I left out feeling good about myself. I got myself a girlfriend...or so I thought. Bad luck struck again when I found out she was getting back with her ex! WTF HAPPENED? WHAT THE HELL WENT WRONG? I FOLLOWED THE DJ BIBLE AND STILL LOST!

Case and point, I asked some women out to a dance that was coming in February back in November. I got turned down at least 12 times and one person FINALLY GAVE ME A YES!:D I was feeling good...I spoke too soon. Three days too soon. That girl spoke to me and told me she wouldn't be able to go to the dance. I walked away crying and I haven't spoken to her since.:cry: BAD F**KING LUCK! BTW did I go to the dance? Hell no! I couldn't ruin my reputation and I had to lie saying I was visiting my sick grandmother in Baton Rouge just to salvage it! The real reason was that I couldn't get a date!

Next, there's women that flirt with me, kino and all that! You'd think when I make my move, I win! So wrong, so wrong. I only end up being rejected in one way or another. Not only that, I end up killing whatever attraction was there.

I end up getting rejected at times when I DO try or when I flirt with a girl I want to ask out (Which I don't know the RIGHT WAY of doing it), I find out that she got a boyfriend and leaves me wondering if I'm even meant for a woman. (Before I get rich, dammit!)

Also, for some odd reason, When I get set up on dates by other guys, it ends up a disaster even when I don't intend for it to do so (which is why I barely trust guys to set me up on dates, blind or not.)

I think lastly, I find myself overall in one of these three scenarios:
1. I get turned down before I make a move.
2. I succeed in a # close of kiss close, but can't get a date, and if I do, the girl would flake.
3. If it ain't the first two, I can't make anything blossom.

Anybody feel like they've had bad luck from any of these situations? Anybody got solutions or ways to fix these flaws? Holla at me!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Bro you sold out your sick grandma because you couldn't take some sh1t your friends may or may NOT have given you?

You're selfish bro. That's your problem.
 

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If I had to, I would have turned down that big dance to visit my grandmother (back then she wasn't sick, sadly she is now and I do visit her time and time again. Thanks for asking, btw) I dunno about selfish in a family matter like that one but, give advice on the getting the girl part of the question please.
 

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Girls flake alot. Remember that.
Has it always been this way?
If not then I'll say your just having a dry spell.
If it is or has allways been this way then
something is wrong with your game. You know like you
don't really know how to seduce women or something like that.

We'd need alot more info to really pin point whats going one here.
 

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JDA70 said:
Girls flake alot. Remember that.
I gotta hand it to you on that one, I never understand why. It probably IS my game. That's only the tip of the iceberg. I don't know the right way to ask a girl out.

Those cases are merely single case episodes that happened in freshman year, the summaries are broad overviews of what's been happening as I play the field. It's hard as hell to get a chick, especially if most already know you aren't taken. I was thinking lie my @$$ off, but that would make matters worse.

My main problem is the scenarios listed at the bottom. The one I'm really trying to work on is number 3, where I can't make anything blossom, meaning if a girl starts liking me, I wouldn't know how to get a date or the number without f**king up. Often times I kill it when I make my move. I find myself relying on nothing but luck in those situations when I feel I just HAVE to make a move. Like I forgot to tie my cord before a bungee jump! Yes, I've lucked out and landed a couple of dates, but that sh*t has run out on me.

And as far as my game, there are a bunch of things I'm clueless about, such as getting over fear of rejection and the fact that I get paralyzed when I attempt or think about making a move. That's why I resort to relying on luck.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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So your game is off .
The question is...what are you doing about it?

My game was horrible and I was like I need
to do something about this I can't take it anymore.

So what I did was make an investment.

I went to Carlos Xuma's site and got The Dating Black Book,
that lead to The Seduction Method, Secrets of the Alpha Male
and Approach Women Now. I also found this site.

Maybe that's what you need to do is make an investment
in yourself and learn how to get and seduce women
as well as live the Alpha man life style.
 

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Dude bad news first...its not luck, its your game...

Good news...it sounds like your doing ok ie getting approaching, getting numbers, making out ect so Attraction is there.

to me it sounded like your just missing comfort, the girls initially say yes to you but when their logic kicks in they dont know you well enough to continue with you...

comfort.
break rappot (so you dont get LJBF'd)
Attraction.
Escalation.

hopefully im right, experiment with comfort, run game as normal but incorperate more comfort into it.

Good Luck Bud
Ziggy
 

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Yes theres no such thing as luck.

Work on your confidence etc first then you'll see things falling into place. You seem to need a relationship to feel good but if you work on your self you'll not only not need a relationship but amazingly you'll attract relationships into your life.

I used to find myself in similar situations to you but now as I work on my inner self I see the error of my old ways! Attract women don't chase them!
 

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yea I agree with Zig Zag, if you're consistent flaking problems with every girl, then you have a playa vibe going on, meaning that the girl might be attracted to you but she doesn't trust you. If she don't trust you, she's not gonna trust you with her heart or her *****. focus more on being genuine, making her comfortable, etc - all the stuff that a playa who's sole goal is trying to get in her pants as soon as possible, wouldn't do

and your #3, where girls already like you but you don't know what to do. I had this problem a long time ago. If a girl likes you, there are windows of opportunity you have to recognize. If a girl wants you to hold your hand and you seize the moment and do it, you're good to go. If you don't, she's gonna autoreject herself and you're gonna have a harder time trying to get close to the girl. Same thing with getting her #, kissing - any kind of escalation. This is all stuff you learn to recognize through experience by feeling the vibe of the interaction
 
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