"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I Really Need Help With This Girl....

freedomrussell

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ok so my friend nicole and i have been best friends for approx 3 years so im obviously in the friend zone...which sucks...i know but heres something that happened on halloween...

i gave her a text asking on if she wanted me to pick her up or meet her at her place so she replies you can pick me up from work so then we'll go by my place pregame and parrrrtyy time..alright so im already in costume (pumpkin) so im dressed in damn good clothes if i do say so myself...and smellin fresh (paca robanna black xs) so as i arrive at her work place with my bass blarin she walks over and enters my car and says, "mmm you smell wonderful"

so i end up driving her to her place after she buys a bottle of patron and we arrive she quickly jumps in the shower and gets ready...so as she is getting ready her roommate comes out of nowhere and starts talking to me nonstop about some bull**** with her and nicole's brother....(hooked up a couple of times and i told her she's just his booty call...and she knows this too)

so anyways now that we got a lil off topic

shots come and poured and me nicole and her roommate jess just finished a bottle of patron...now picture time before party....so me and jess take maybe 2 or three pics together but when nicole and i are due for a pic, nicole just goes on a modeling shot posing and basically using me as her own live stripper pole haha (which i thought was awesome) so as we get to the party all night shes feeding me drinks non stop (even though i am already waaay to drunk and she knows) but i slam em back like water...of course we're guys....we got this...drinking is our thing...

so then all night she and i start holding hands whenever we're together and/or one of us has our arms around each other's lower back...and then whenever she talks to me she calls me babe or random petnames and i mirror what she is doing..and call her petnames too...so then as nicole and i are gettin ready to leave her brother comes up to me and asks me are you straight? (like wtf?? im feeling great haha) so i reply yes im fine are you ok? so at this point nicole comes up takes my hand and goes ok dom lets go...so she then told me afterwards that her brother gave me the test...and i was like did i pass? and she says yes you passed (she laughs after that)...so we go party hopping at the next party and likewise the same thing she did at the other party she does again...

so after we both are done partying its time for me to drop her off at her place so i drop her off and she asks you wanna stay at my place? but i say no cuz i needed to go to another party...lol (after writing that i just realized damn i should've stayed at her place) so after i walk her to her appartment we hug and say goodbyes she says i love you and i reply i love you too...so i leave...


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sorry for this being soo long but i wanted you guys to have the details so you can make a better call

now what i wanna know is what the hell was that last night? i've been her best friend for 3 years and last night she and i got so physical and intimate with each other so im wondering whats happened? does she like me? what do i do?

but mainly....what do i do?? or what can i do??
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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ELITE

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Seems like your catching feelings, I got a real hot friend, and where just friends and sleep with her one time. Thats why if you want a girl i wouldnt give her the picture your her friend. And she might just accept you as a friend. If i were you I would go meet other girls. And just keep this one on the side for a friend booty call. Like I dont mind with my friend yes she's a 8. I keep her around when ever me and some girl break up. I still have my friend to chill with and keep my mind of things. It helps better than having no back up plan.
 

freedomrussell

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but what if i want to have a meaningful relationship with this girl...i never really realized it because she's my friend i was too hung up on just finding girls but i realized that i really do like her a lot and one of the reasons why i didn't want to stay at her place was because i just didn't wanna be the guy that wakes up after the deed is done and leave...i couldn't do that to her because i care about her....
 

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you can be in the friend zone and still get a woman as long as your not a push over or her pansy.
 

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Forget about it. All that stuff you described can mean absolutely nothing. They do that with their girlfriends, and you are basically her girlfriend too. Maybe she was in the mood to hold someones hand, and you were there. Dont put any stick into anything your chick fried does, never consider anything she does an IOI. The possibility that she wants more, is so remote, its not worth wasting your time with.

I knew girls that would makeout with me at the bar or parties, but it was purely a friendly thing. We were just that comfortable with each other.

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but what if i want to have a meaningful relationship with this girl...i never really realized it because she's my friend i was too hung up on just finding girls but i realized that i really do like her a lot and one of the reasons why i didn't want to stay at her place was because i just didn't wanna be the guy that wakes up after the deed is done and leave...i couldn't do that to her because i care about her....
Lose this mindset. Thats the reason you get put into friendzones in the first place. Shes a big girl, you dont need to worry about hurting her. I dont see how that would hurt her anyway. Also, I dont believe you anyway. I think you chickened out. As long as you dont take advantage of her while she's totally wasted, go for it. Grow some balls, and act like a man next time.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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