"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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There is a girl called J. She would ask me out to eat at lunch time during school cause our school lets us go outside, ditching all her friends and insisting we be alone. I keep it all cool, I joke and tease her and she touched me alot, and we went out 4 times.

Then I didn't talk to J for 5 days and after that she starts avoiding me. I talk to her and its a normal conversation and then I ask whats up, are you angry at me, she says its nothing and then asks me for my opinion: of whether this guy putting his arm over her when they were at his house watching a movie meant that he liked her.

OK at this point I'm obviously out, I have no illusions about that. But I was wondering about my actions, I think I made it not seem like a date enough. Though she did ask me out and I did go along and joke and kino I perhaps didn't make it seem like a real date. Also the last two times I went on AIM she didn't message me and I had to message her. So yeah I figure **** that and blocked her out today to dissapear.

So I asked some of my friends about the situation and half of them say call her and ask whats up, which I did before as I wrote and it didn't work. But some of them say that if she just moved on after you within like 3 days she was flaky to begin with. Me I'm not sure and I'd like the opinion of you guys reading this. I'd like to know where I went wrong.

Comments, Criticisms go for it ;)
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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jeffthechef

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depends...popular girls expect more kino...though you should always do it

you probably didn't escalate enough...how far did you get?..

you say she insisted you guys be alone....obviously she's interested...she avoids you for a while....to see if you would make any moves...she asked if another guy making a move on her means he lieks her....a **** test...and buddy you failed...

basically...you should have escalated faster...you should have made a move on her within those 5 days...and you should have answered differently to her **** test

girls expect the guy to be the man...she wants you to take charge...and not wait for her to do everything..which is what you did...

next time you see her...ask her out to some place...and escalate fast...and make it known that you're interested...

bytheway, make sur eyou have more options than just one girl
 

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It sounds like she's playing Ganji games on you. You obviously made no moves on her despite she kept on opening herself up to you. So she thought you had no interest in her, and in a last bid to get your interest, she has decided to cut all contact and ignore you. The thing about the boy putting his arm on her, is just a way to make you jealous, it does not mean you are out, in fact you are probably still in.

What you should do is call her up and ask her out, on a proper date, not a lunch date. If she says no, then cut all contact with her and forget about her.
 

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jeffthechef said:
you say she insisted you guys be alone....obviously she's interested...she avoids you for a while....to see if you would make any moves...she asked if another guy making a move on her means he lieks her....a **** test...and buddy you failed...

basically...you should have escalated faster...you should have made a move on her within those 5 days...and you should have answered differently to her **** test

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alright but how would i respond to that test, i mean i didn't act jealous or anything i said maybe he likes you i don't know (which might have been a mistake), but how could i have said it differently?
 

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a few other ways include:

1. Her: If a guy....
You: Was it like this? (then you put your arms around her) or was it like this? (put your arms around her and make it even more sexual than the first one)...and then continue on to another subject..

2. Her: If a guy...
You: I don't know..I don't think so though...I've had a bunch of my friends put their arms around me when we joke around, but none of them have come out of the closet yet.

3. Her: If...
You: I could care less if that guy was interested in you...Let's go (insert place or activity). Take her hand and leave..


Don't worry though..Girls are full of **** just like guys are....you'll get **** tested many more times haha

hey...you gave me a good idea for a intended kino....even though i try to stay away from set moves

You: Hey, does a girl like you if she puts her arms around you?
Her: No. Or yes....(either one)
You: Well, it was like...and then you show her like example 1...DAMN haha

well ask more questions if you have...this forum has been quiet lately...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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ok so anyways i blocked her online since saturday and stopped going to wherever she ate lunch, and then i saw the gangji post which happened to be what i was doing lol. so she called me today but i didn't pick up cause i was in school at 7:00pm.... my friends keep telling me now that she called you have an excuse to call back, back im still angry at her. what should i do, should i break the "gangji game" im playing with her?

also it seems possible that shes only calling at this point cause she wants me on her leash, after all it was just 4 days..
 

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don't be angry ever...even if a girl cheats on you...

anger stems from attachment as does sadness and every emotion of suffering...

but now i think you should call her back and set up something...it's been 4 days and she's called you...take her out somewhere and show her your interest...don't tell of course...but if she doesn't want to do something and says she's busy and gives you a bunch of bull****...just move on
 
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