"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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DJorBUST

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I have been dating a girl for several months now. Her interest level was high to begin with and has recently waned. However, on the last date we had a long makeout session and I felt up her tits and she let me rub her between the legs (over her jeans but stopped me before I got under them) which is much farther than Ive ever gotten. So, I was pretty excited that things were progressing and I was sure things would continue to progress. So, I decided to do something retarded...

She was recently at a wedding with a fairly famous band playing. She went up to the lead singer afterwards and got his information because her mom is hosting a benefit and she thought she could get them to play at it. Well, a week or so ago she tells me that the band leader calls her up at home and talks to her. I brushed it off at the time and didnt make a big deal of it because she is always talking about various male friends she is talking to or hanging out with.

Well, last night I was at a wedding and the same band was playing so I texted her to tell her so. She said I should go up to the lead singer afterwards (he is basically like a boy band member with a bunch of groupies) and say HI for her and that he would definitely know her. I got annoyed and texted back with "PASS". She pushed back with "gee thx, he won't bite you" and I got annoyed and sarcastically replied with "Oh really? Then I'll definitely go up there and jump on his lap later and tell him how much I love him". She said she didnt appreciate the sarcasm and I said humor was all I had to offer to her bizarre desire to have me go up and introduce myself to this guy for the sole purpose of bringing up her name. She responded back with "It doesnt matter anymore". So, I think I just completely f*cked things up for myself! I called her later that night (which might have been a mistake) and got her voicemail. I left a message saying I hope that we're not going to stop talking over a few text messages about saying hello to the singer of a wedding band and I got angry mistakenly and sent a stupid message that I shouldnt have and I asked her to call me back.

It's the next day and she hasnt call me back yet (she's been at work all day). So, do you guys think she meant it's over between us by saying "it doesnt matter anymore"? I know I overreacted but do you guys think that this is salvagable? I mean, we were finally really going at it and I would think breaking up over failing a **** test would be crazy. Perhaps just silence at this point and letting her call me is the right plan...I'm freakin out.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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You over reacted.

Let her call YOU, DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT call her / text her/ msg her for whatever reason. If she does NOT contact you back, move on.

Always have a Plan B...

Just learn from this and dont over react to such little things.

It could be a number of reasons as to why she wanted you to do that (dont try to figure it out it'll be a waste of time). Just keep busy.
 

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"she is always talking about various male friends she is talking to or hanging out with."

You're better off without her as these types are always bad news.

Though if you must have her back just do what the other posters said and wait for her to contact you.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Ok, false alarm I guess. She texted me the next day to say shes not mad and there was no argument and she'll ttyl because shes at work. Of course, I haven't heard anything back from her in two days. Is it weird to have a girl who very recently made out with me on a date for like 20 minutes while I groped her tits and massaged her p*ssy (through her jeans tho) and not have her show any interest to call me? She also makes it somewhat difficult to arrange dates with her. She won't flat out refuse and she'll eventually find a time that works but makes it seem like it's a chore for her. What's the deal here???? My goal is not a long-term thing since she's moving. My goal is to have sex with her as many times as I can before she moves. I am trying to avoid having her push me off to the side or straight out throw me into the friend zone before I get a chance to take off her clothes.
 

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I'm not moving on. This isn't some random chick who I found at a club and I've invested a lot in this relationship. Ive known this girl for a decade and only recently had a chance to nail her. So, this isn't some random plate I just started spinning that I can easily drop like some girl I don't care about.

I texted her today asking what her schedule is like. She said she has family and friends visiting all week so she's busy right now but we'll find some time to hang out...

I don't understand why she combines an excuse with a promise of a future meeting. Perhaps she really is busy. I don't buy that she's not interested because our last date ended with a long-ass makeout session and groping session. How exactly is that NO interest if she came out on a date with me and did that with me? There's SOME interest here and hopefully enough to buildup to another date and a chance to finally get those pants off! HELP ME PEOPLE!
 
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KontrollerX said:
"she is always talking about various male friends she is talking to or hanging out with."

You're better off without her as these types are always bad news.

Though if you must have her back just do what the other posters said and wait for her to contact you.
I agree with KontrollerX!

Is she a virgin?
 

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Can somebody in this post (for the love of GOD) stop pointing out the obvious (like I'm pus*y-whipped and she's playing me -> I KNOW, I GET IT!!!) and actually give me some tips on how to see her naked and get in her pants at least once before this all goes to hell. Seriously now...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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DJorBUST said:
Can somebody in this post (for the love of GOD) stop pointing out the obvious (like I'm pus*y-whipped and she's playing me -> I KNOW, I GET IT!!!) and actually give me some tips on how to see her naked and get in her pants at least once before this all goes to hell. Seriously now...
My best advice to you, as far as seeing her naked, is:

Ask the singer if he has any pictures on his phone he could show you. :yes:

Your best bet with her is to up your value, but right now it will be very hard! You either have to better your life with something like a new car, better place, hot arm candy to parade in front of her...etc.

No matter how you go about this there is one option now. Absence! You cut her out, and improve your value. At the time you reach your greater value show it to her, and if she bites than game on. Otherwise you’re just going to keep getting table scraps from this girl.
 
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It is important that you answer my question!
 
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zerocelcius said:
My best advice to you, as far as seeing her naked, is:

Ask the singer if he has any pictures on his phone he could show you. :yes:

Your best bet with her is to up your value, but right now it will be very hard! You either have to better your life with something like a new car,
Hahaha, this is the third post in a row that I read where actually laughed out loud!
 
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DJorBUST said:
Nope, not a virgin
Ok, she is not a virgin but after a few months she only lets you rub her like a genie bottle? And you said this... "she is always talking about various male friends she is talking to or hanging out with."

This tells me that there is a strong possibility that she is getting sexed by someone else and you are second fiddle! You have to make some strong moves in the next few days and if she doesn't want sex then ask her if she is withholding sex until marriage or is just not with you. She is not holding off because of principles since she lets you feel her.

I suggest you keep your options opened!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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once that singer shows you the pictures.

please post them here.

I would like to know what a golder puss* looks like, i hear men chase the golden puss*, well the OP does, yet i have never ever seen one.

Maybe this girl is different, maybe just maybe when you hit it, your life will change, all your dreams will come true, you will be showered in money, women, fame, fortune, romance, the girl will spin cartwheels to make you hit that golder puss* again and life will be like heaven sent.

Sacrificing self respect and self worth for puss& is for Wimps, wan*(ers, losers, chumps, fools and idiots, who place puss* far higher then there own 'self'.

You have a long way to go kid, but the direction you should not be heading is towards the fabled golden puss*.

Carry on, your doing fine, this is chump ground, your playing that field perfectly.

Rise above her and gain power, i.e, dump it walk away and rise above it.

No puss* is worth this, puss* aint that hard to get!

go get a cold shower, have a tug.

The next night get some mates together and invest your time into girls who wont treat you like a walking door mat, chump!

Sorry a little harsh, your new to this, welcome to women.

Now take the advice, best thing for you would be to focus on learning to attract more women in your life, investing this much attention to this waste of space, is very very unhealthy and is going to bring you more pain then 'rejection' from some stranger in a bar ever will.
 

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I should mention that I AM dating two other women at the same time. So, you f*cking morons who think you know everything about me can bite me. I have a long way to go, kid? Again, bite me.
 
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