I Need Serious Help. Girls Still Think Of Me As Sweet And Tender Eventhough I Am Not

[diplomatic_lies]

Have you ever considered becoming a serial killer, or possibly a war criminal? Those guys get laid like MAD! (although its usually rape, but you cant be picky right?)

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

Most of us had this problem before. Nothing can be said that will help you. The only person that can kill the nice guy inside you is YOU! only you can help yourself and change your attitude from a nice guy to an exciting, challenging jerk. I also had this problem and luckily for me im a good looking guy so I didn't have to copy the look of the jerks around campus that were getting the girls. I didn't want to be a trend follower wearing abercrombie and fitch shirts. I just tweaked my attitude a bit to give me an "edge" and just started wearing nicer clothes.

 

[Bvbidd]

I'm not saying be a meathead. Chicks don't really like meatheads.

But why the **** are you sitting that way? Kids in kindergarten get made fun of and called gay for sitting like that.

And singing with such a high voice about love, peace and happiness?

In North America you are always going to be seen as a novelty nice guy friend. It's probally diffrent in places like Europe, where they are not smarter just more new age and used to it.

You might be seen as sweet and tender by women but guys will just want to kick the **** out of you. Even in your 20s.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Where is it written that women like jerks.I think fun is always confused for "jerk" even by women sometimes.

I think you need to be less predicatble.

 

[BrotherAP]

Damnit sosuave I just spent an hour writing a very high quality reply and some error erased it. Here's a summary:

-The traits you are trying to emulate about jerks are the unnattractive ones

-If you're getting viewed as 'just a friend', you're not being bold enough. The jerk learns to cross boundaries young because he's not afraid of pissing a girl off. The 'nice guy' never crosses these boundaries because he's afraid of being mean, pissing her off, making her call him names or leave. The jerk eventually learns where to draw the line, how to tease her but not overdo it. You need to learn this too. You're just coming from the other direction.

-You can be sweet and have girls like you. Just don't be a pvssy. There are some very compassionate yet tough men in this world. Care about things, but care in an active way by working to change them and accepting no sh!t in the process.

Oh and don't whine. You sound like you're about to cry in this post. You want more girls? Keep working at it, and be smart about it. Your negativity makes me think that your attitude is hampering your success as much as anything.

p.s. I love my mother and my, and any girl who doesn't respect that can kiss my ass. Besides they all think it's precious. It has nothing to do with why your not getting laid. Something to think about.

 

[comic_relief]

I agree with BrotherAP!

and I thought something was wrong with this post and then I realized it you were just b!tching. I never wanted to become a jerk because I knew if I improved myself so much that women would just want to be with me. i learned that the hard way but it was totally worth it.

Just improve yourself and worry about girls later on. If you improve yourself then women will fall at your feet and worship you. They do it for me (alright maybe not worship but they do approach me).

comic_relief

 

[I'm Joe Dirt]

You don't have to become a total jerk to attract women, but for heaven's sake cut out the feminist, environmentalist, liberal b.s. from your game. I am not saying this just cause I'm a Robot Republican, but because that kind of stuff does not make you sound attractive, it makes you sound like a major AFC.

Basically, talking about how you love your mom, your dogs, how you care about the envoirnment, and how men are jerks or cause problems for women (or other feminist things) makes you sound like a WUSSY.

No one wants to hear about how they are mistreating the planet or men with their evil penises of doom are keeping women down.

Believe it or not, women do not want to be "equals" with men on the levels that feminazis espouse, they want and like men who are leaders and who protect their women and take care of their women.

Basically what I am trying to say here is your conversation topics suck majorly. By talking about things that bring people down like politics, especially if you talk bout alarmist things like how the earth is getting fvcked up or how women are victimized or stuff like that, you're bringing the energy level of the conversations down, and no one likes that.

Trust me on this. I used to talk bout my political views about equality, human rights, and things of that nature that go with my political philosophy all the freaking time. That crap gets you NO WHERE. I pretty much quit bringing up politics at all in any conversation I have with a girl. Ideally you want to stay on topics that are not politically charged so she doesn't even know or care where you lean on the issues. Trust me on this. I've been there. You will see far more success that way than if you come off as a political idealogue.

If you go into a conversation with someone you have to make sure you enter and stay at either the present level of energy or take it to a higher level.

Even if someone asks about your political philosophy keep it short and sweet. Make up a one line response that captures the gist of what you believe and just say that and change topics. My line is "My political views? Well, I like my taxes low and my terrorists dead. *switch topic here*"

My suggestions are: cut out the political b.s. and the wussy topics like loving your mom and your dog and how you like helping out at soup kitchens, OR start running game at communist rallies and socialist events and stuff. You might get laid with a communist chick, who will "seize your means of production" if you know what I'm talking about. And I think you do. I'm talking about your penis.

(Credit to Penny Arcade for that line)

But otherwise, drop that crap and be normal. Talk about normal stuff like hollywood gossip, music, movies, and share cool, fun, UPLIFTING stories about stuff you've seen and been through.

 

[Egoist]

You look like a little kid or VERY gay.

Then I heard you sing..

you know what, i make fun of people on here and tell newbies to screw themselves, but you take hateful to the whole new levels.

You brand of sh!t talking adds absolutely nothing to this board. This kid may be sensitive and not a hardcore alpha player, but hey, at least he sort of has his act together otherwise.

Your insecure a$$ needs to chill.

 

[Egoist]

also my goals are not power and money and influence. my paradigm is a bit different. I am all about compassion empathy love pleasure enlightening and enjoyment. fock money and power and prestige and unnecessary luxuries, superficial trappings of the current materialistic order. give me sex, women, art, philosphy, life, health, compassion, nature, fun, youth. thats me. and I love being me. I think Im poretty confident when it comes to who I am.

OK here is your problem man.

You are not you yet. You think you have it figured out, but you don't. Your mom thinks she raised you to be the best, but she has not - like you said, in some areas, she simply doesn't know better.

What you need to do is to re-explore your identity and your life. Truly try to understand yourself. The way you talk about your priorities in life - I am sorry, you are not masculine, you are feminine. Now there is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't make you gay or a girl, but you definitely are a lot more comfortable with your feminine side than your masculine side, and don't talk to me about your aggressive soccer side, girls have it too.

Whether you like to admit it, you have been brainwashed by the pseudo-intellectual anti-materialistic school of thought. You are not allowing yourself to open up and be able to freely see the negatives and positives of the world without falling back into the categories and black and white. By in fact admitting how spiritual and anti-materialistic and artsy you are, you are in fact trapping yourself in a stigma you might not have chosen. You already have your belief system set for you, I suspect by your mother, or at least her environment.

You seriously need to start with a clean slate and re-evaluate. Read some good books. Talk to some good people. Try to understand.

You might start with reading (if you have not already) some Nietzsche, Rand, Dawkins, etc.. Go from there.

 

[star_child]

OK here is your problem man.

You are not you yet. You think you have it figured out, but you don't. Your mom thinks she raised you to be the best, but she has not - like you said, in some areas, she simply doesn't know better.

What you need to do is to re-explore your identity and your life. Truly try to understand yourself. The way you talk about your priorities in life - I am sorry, you are not masculine, you are feminine. Now there is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't make you gay or a girl, but you definitely are a lot more comfortable with your feminine side than your masculine side, and don't talk to me about your aggressive soccer side, girls have it too.

Whether you like to admit it, you have been brainwashed by the pseudo-intellectual anti-materialistic school of thought. You are not allowing yourself to open up and be able to freely see the negatives and positives of the world without falling back into the categories and black and white. By in fact admitting how spiritual and anti-materialistic and artsy you are, you are in fact trapping yourself in a stigma you might not have chosen. You already have your belief system set for you, I suspect by your mother, or at least her environment.

You seriously need to start with a clean slate and re-evaluate. Read some good books. Talk to some good people. Try to understand.

You might start with reading (if you have not already) some Nietzsche, Rand, Dawkins, etc.. Go from there.

I understand my problem. I have to adapt to the stupidity of women (and many men too), who are unable to see things beyond a stigma of black and white (either you are feminine or masculine. you just cant be a man who is intelligent enough he actually realizes the dangers of enviormental destruction and who is so emotionally secure of himself he can talk about how he feels about life without caring if other people will find him feminine, because after all, only woman speak about those things right. we man, we like beer and cars and footbal and pounding our chests with our fists while growling at the top of our lungs) in order to get laid.

hey tough ****... I will do it. I will adapt. pus$y is worth it. I think you are right. I should not talk about those things. I have tot alk about stupid stuff for the stupid girls of the world. but Im not the one thats wrong. they are the ones who have it all wrong. so dont think that for one second I buy into this whole feminine, my sensitivity is not maculine, crap. Its just that the whole of society is so embbeded with this stereotypes of what a man is or what a woman is that anyone who challenges them gets left out. I am a man of the future gentlemen. I am what manly man will be in the 22nd century. I am what smart emotionally stable non game playing women look for. I am the dream of a truly self confident woman and I know its true.
I am a good looking, talented, confident, very intelligent, secure and artistically masculine in a non conventional way man who has his **** together, is good to the poeple he is around and doesn not take **** form anyone. I am definitely alpha. I am way more alpha than the dumb jock jerk asses who nail tns of girls. The lay them for entirely different reasons. Being an alpha is not about how many girls you ****. read this again:

you know something very funny? check this out, cracks me up. I was just reading an article on askmen.com that said:

"While I do know some men who are no doubt "naturals" when it comes to attracting women, I also know a lot of guys who are considered by most to be naturals but who actually made themselves so by cultivating the qualities inside themselves that are attractive to women.

Yes, you read that right. Naturals can be created. And you can do it.

We all have to learn how to socialize, deal with women and make the most of our lives.

So start by doing all you can to make yourself great in your own eyes...

That might mean working out and eating right, learning to play an instrument or learning a second language, taking a trip to a foreign country, or working with a charity to do some good in the world.

When you do these things, women will notice. And as you take the steps to make your life great and improve yourself as a person, you'll start to notice that your life -- and especially your dating life -- is exponentially better and more fulfilling."

very funny thing is this: I work out (today I swam for over an hour and my abs and biceps show) and I eat right (I have a flat belly and healthy eating habits), I play 4 musical instruments (guitar, piano, voice and harp) and you can check out my music at www.myspace.com/adriandonneaud, I not only know a second language - I ****ing speak 3 languages (english, spanish and french), I am going to travel all over europe in about 3 months and yeah =) you guessed it, I also ****ing do charity work. and guess what man....

no women. no ****ing women. how do you even begin to explain this?

now I know guys who dont even have a high school diploma, are lazy and not disciplined, barley speak one language, know nothing about nothing, are bad at sex, do not engage in anythign productive and have girls chadsing after them. I would rather be me and get a modderate amount of girls like <i do now than be dumb, without vision and habilities, talentless, ordinary and get many girls. I like my belief system. Itll keep me focused on the right things.
when many guys will be trapped in the system, married to a woman they dont like really or working a job they hate, trying to pay school for the kids they wish they wouldnt have had and trying to buy whatever tv tells them they should have in order to be happy family, pursuing the american dream (the great american consummerism propaganda lie) I will be single, healthy and in good shape, studying my second or maybe even third PHD con some college probably working as a teacher or as a musician andtraveling whenever I want to because Im not tied down, living among young people, nailing girls 15 years my senior etc. by the time Im 30 since I dont want to marry and have kids, Ill be in great shape and so darn educated about so many things and so damn picky about girls Ill be sucha challenge that I wont know what to do with so many women. young women are dumb. but hey, I dont have to be a jerk to **** them. I just have to be me but approach tons and tons and tons fo them until one of them bites and be sexual with all of them. i rewmmeber on december I went downtown with a firend to apporach girl thinking we would apporach girls until we got 10 rejections. we couldnt even get one.

**** all of this. this site is all talk and no play. we all have to stop coming here and start doing stuff out there. why is sex so important anyway?
my only problem is my belief system towards girls. I need to think of myself as a prize, I need to be less sensitive with the girls I hit on, more sexual, and I need to hit on as many girls as possible and it will all fix itself. I just need one good girl at a time and the game to change em quickly once I get tired of that one or get a new one right away when she gets tired of me. I have no ****ing problems except those in my head. my whole life is together.
the outside change is done. I do more **** with my life than most. I just need to believe that I am the great catch and understand that women that are worth my time automatically love guys as cool as me. I mean seriously. Im so cool that I find it incredible girls are not fighting over me. but heres an example to illustrate why:

On friday I was hearing this huge fat chick talk. ugly as hell. she was saying how a guy asked her out. a mariachi singer who is putting on a record and ****. obviously a guy who is passionate about something and is doing something about it. the girls was so fat she had cellulite in her arms and she was saying "oh please let him not be a loser. ahhg how disgusting a loser without money blah blah blah" and I was staring with disbelief thinking to myself "you fat b!tch , you shopuld be grateful a guys is so crazy out there he is asking you out. you are dumb, fat, ugly and stupid. I wouldnt fock you even if they payed me!" . the thing is girls are out of touch with reality. thwey think they are worth more than they really are.

if I was the equivalent of what I am as a guy but as a girl, I would have guys lining up to date me. I wont let a simple hole between their legs take away my power. Im not afraid of powerful people. why would I be afraid of girls?

 

[flippinfreak]

lol, I don't give a sh!t if anybody else has said this already or not...

You talk to much, and if it's half boring here, in real life, it's all boring.

Do you ever think all this stuff you say you have and do, comes out of your mouth and makes you sound like an arrogant prick? or a boring clod? or a poser? How about a fvcking liar? perhaps a boaster? all mouth and no muscle?

 

[CompleteControl]

I was reading through this thread and I was goimg to post something constructive but when I read more of what you have to say I just don't care to help you any more.

no women. no ****ing women. how do you even begin to explain this?

It is obvious why to anyone reading your posts

if I was the equivalent of what I am as a guy but as a girl, I would have guys lining up to date me. I wont let a simple hole between their legs take away my power. Im not afraid of powerful people. why would I be afraid of girls?

So. start dating men or start reading, stop whining and become the kind of MAN that WOMEN are attracted to.

This is Evidence that becoming a Jerk won't get you laid - because you sound like an arrogant, self-centered jerk - an effeminite one.

 

[TheFlyingMan]

What you need to do is to re-explore your identity and your life. Truly try to understand yourself. The way you talk about your priorities in life - I am sorry, you are not masculine, you are feminine. Now there is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't make you gay or a girl, but you definitely are a lot more comfortable with your feminine side than your masculine side, and don't talk to me about your aggressive soccer side, girls have it too.

Egoist, I've been reading this thread with a lot of curiosity because I sort of see where he's coming from. I don't love the world etc as much but I can see a bit of myself in him, and I do think that I am more feminine then masculine in a lot of ways.

i have very similar life priorities too. What is a list of masculine or life priorities?

It's true, I do amatuer boxing but I still think like a woman sometimes.

 

[TheFlyingMan]

I was reading through this thread and I was goimg to post something constructive but when I read more of what you have to say I just don't care to help you any more.

It is obvious why to anyone reading your posts



So. start dating men or start reading, stop whining and become the kind of MAN that WOMEN are attracted to.

This is Evidence that becoming a Jerk won't get you laid - because you sound like an arrogant, self-centered jerk - an effeminite one.

Not being a smartass, because like I said I see a bit of my idealogy in him. But what exactly is stopping him from getting laid?

A) Whinging? I don't whinge..
B) All that stuff about love your mom, all the world, etc?

 

[CompleteControl]

Not being a smartass, because like I said I see a bit of my idealogy in him. But what exactly is stopping him from getting laid?

A) Whinging? I don't whinge..
B) All that stuff about love your mom, all the world, etc?

I don't think you are being a smartass. Actually, I think I was being a smart ass.

I think that star_childs lack of success with women is obvious because based on his posts he seems to be arrogant, yet lack confidence and he seems to be very angry at women and men. He seems to want to blame women for not being attracted to him and hate men because women are attracted to them. He is not willing to take a hard look at himself and understand how he is perceived by others or do the work necessary to understand what women are truly attracted to.

Women aren't attracted to men because they are jerks, women are attracted to men in spite of the fact they are jerks.

Ideology is not important. However, talking about the environment and gun-control isn't going to get them sexually aroused, and agreeing with them on a lot of these topics may make you seem like you are pandering to them to get laid.

I don't recommend talking at length about how much you love your Mother, but there is nothing wrong with it (after you get to know her) as long as the rest of your behavior is congruent with confidence, success and strength of character.

Most women want a man that can take care of them, they aren't generally attracted to men that they are going to have to take care of.

I don't feel that thinking like a woman is good idea, however, having insight into how they think and understanding what makes them excited, happy, passionate can be extremely powerful. Used at the correct stage you can create powerful rapport with a woman and lead her any place you want.

 

[TheFlyingMan]

thanks good reply!

 

[Egoist]

blah blah blah I am so cool blah blah blah

Oh man.

Seriously. look at yourself. You are trying to justify EVERYTHING and basically don't have a clue. It's ok, I don't blame you, we are all guilty of being young and thinking we know everything, but you need to get your sh!t together and start doing instead of over-intellectualizing everything, become a man of action.

You have no idea how brainwashed you are. Like I am not ever sure where to start. But you really need to look into history and classical philosophy and evolutionary psychology. You're an intellectual wh0re, you will enjoy it, and maybe learn something along the way.

You are like waaay too confused right now with your morals that you think you have and your brainwashed worldview and all that stuff.

 

[future dj]

star....dude...where do i start.....

I am not interested in marrying or finding one steady woman for a long time. I dont think I even want to have kids, not until Im like 45 or 50 anyway. for a single feminist´s son I actually turned out to be very manly dude. for me girls are for sex.

you seem to equate that just because you only want women around to fcuk it makes you masculine.....it doesnt....it just makes you a horny bastard like the rest of us (the male species)

the other thing is that there is nothing wrong with caring about the environment, feeling sad when you see a starving kid or whatever....but unless your at a meeting whose aim is to tackle these issues dont talk about it....if you know the chick is really into stuff like that (i.e like your mom) then go ahead.... if these issues really concern you, then do something about it...simply talking about this does nothing...dont just open your flap and talk about these issues, do something about it...

there is also a very thin line between confidence and arrogance.....eveyone likes a confident guy but i doubt you'll find any who like an arrogant person. people who are truly confident in themselves see no need to boast about their accomplishments...because they dont have to prove anything to anyone but themselves....

we man, we like beer and cars and footbal and pounding our chests with our fists while growling at the top of our lungs) in order to get laid.

WRONG!!! that does not make a man....being a man doesnt mean you have to not care about the environement, starving children, love your mom, dogs etc. you dont even have to like sports or money....these things have nothing to do with being a man...

your views on what a man is seems to be a lot of feminist propaganda....liking sex, sports, beer, guns, fast cars, money....these things have nothing to do with being a man....they are just some things a lot of guys like....they do not define what makes a man.

this is your defenition of a man

we man, we like beer and cars and footbal and pounding our chests with our fists while growling at the top of our lungs) in order to get laid.

this would be mine a lot of which i got from my dad (some of the labels i would use)

• if a man makes a promise he keeps it even if he can get away with not having to do it (i.e. he's a man of his word)
• a man doesnt take advantage of people
• if a man sees something he doesnt like, he does something about it (e.g starving children, environment etc)
• is confident
• stands up for people who cannot do it for themselves
• is nice to people around him but still stands up for himself
• is true to himself
• if he decides to help someone he tells no one once the deed is done....because a real man doesnt have to tell everyone what a great guy he is helping poor people or starving kids or whatever

 

[star_child]

you guys got it all wrong. this is not my definition of a man:

we man, we like beer and cars and footbal and pounding our chests with our fists while growling at the top of our lungs) in order to get laid.

this was sarcasm intended for the people who decided to label me as gay because of the way I sat for a single photograph. those people would call mick jagger gay if he wasnt famous for foking women.

you guys have it all wrong. maybe it me being overdramatic in the posts. I dont talk about my how much I love my mom with girls. only if they ask about how my relationship with her is, I say its very healthy and good. or about the enviorement if it comes into the convo. I do stuff to change the world as well and I dont brag about it. I said what I did to illustrate examples.

but whatever, I will not find answers here anyway. Im not even sure why Im here. even if Im feminine according to what society says is feminine I know Im not feminine. I dont consider myself feminine.
whatever, I was going to wirte more but I gotta go work out. this is a waste of my time. this whole site is a waste of everybody´s time. I was doing better with girls before I ever got here. all this stupid rules and limitations and ideas about what girls find attractive and dont have only made my life revolve around this issue. I used to have passions before this site. now i cant think of anything else and I do everything based on how much more women will like me because of it. I have all this rules embedded before me. I am not brainwashed by feminism. I am brainwashed by so suave and its the worst thing that ever happened to me. I hate what Ive become. cant think of anything else but getting women. what a shallow and complicated exsistence.
all the people here trying to change their natural behaviors in hopes of women liking them. you may say you do it for yoursellf. but people who work out for themselves for example do not attend a health forum in a seduction site. they go to health forums in health sites. djs here do stuff so women can like them and its so ironic cause that goes against the whole thing really. we all mingle around trying to learn a set of tactics to be percieved as the alphas we think we are not. its pathethic. Im done with this. Im going out there to live my life and girls will come when they come and they will not be the center of my life. things happen naturally. all of this is about obssesion and needyness
this whole site is full of needy people. thats not life. pus$y is not life.
some get tons of it, some get very little whatever. it doesnt matter. its a numbers game. keep approaching till you get one and repeat everytime you dont have one and be yourself. just be bold. in the end I might not get as many girls as other guys but I also got more in other areas of life than they did. life is like that. goodbye

 

[Egoist]

you guys got it all wrong. this is not my definition of a man:

we man, we like beer and cars and footbal and pounding our chests with our fists while growling at the top of our lungs) in order to get laid.

this was sarcasm intended for the people who decided to label me as gay because of the way I sat for a single photograph. those people would call mick jagger gay if he wasnt famous for foking women.

you guys have it all wrong. maybe it me being overdramatic in the posts. I dont talk about my how much I love my mom with girls. only if they ask about how my relationship with her is, I say its very healthy and good. or about the enviorement if it comes into the convo. I do stuff to change the world as well and I dont brag about it. I said what I did to illustrate examples.

but whatever, I will not find answers here anyway. Im not even sure why Im here. even if Im feminine according to what society says is feminine I know Im not feminine. I dont consider myself feminine.
whatever, I was going to wirte more but I gotta go work out. this is a waste of my time. this whole site is a waste of everybody´s time. I was doing better with girls before I ever got here. all this stupid rules and limitations and ideas about what girls find attractive and dont have only made my life revolve around this issue. I used to have passions before this site. now i cant think of anything else and I do everything based on how much more women will like me because of it. I have all this rules embedded before me. I am not brainwashed by feminism. I am brainwashed by so suave and its the worst thing that ever happened to me. I hate what Ive become. cant think of anything else but getting women. what a shallow and complicated exsistence.
all the people here trying to change their natural behaviors in hopes of women liking them. you may say you do it for yoursellf. but people who work out for themselves for example do not attend a health forum in a seduction site. they go to health forums in health sites. djs here do stuff so women can like them and its so ironic cause that goes against the whole thing really. we all mingle around trying to learn a set of tactics to be percieved as the alphas we think we are not. its pathethic. Im done with this. Im going out there to live my life and girls will come when they come and they will not be the center of my life. things happen naturally. all of this is about obssesion and needyness
this whole site is full of needy people. thats not life. pus$y is not life.
some get tons of it, some get very little whatever. it doesnt matter. its a numbers game. keep approaching till you get one and repeat everytime you dont have one and be yourself. just be bold. in the end I might not get as many girls as other guys but I also got more in other areas of life than they did. life is like that. goodbye

WHOOOOOOOOA...

way to project your issues man.

everything in moderation, man... lol..