"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Reading these threads, I realize my mistakes!During this past semester in college got close with this girl and became really clingy. I showed a lot attention, bought gifts, asked for dates, etc. I helped her for every test and homework of the 3 classes we took together. We even did a few all nighters. I never got the attention I wanted and complained about it a few time. I even tried the ignore routine to increase attention. It seemed to work,but I ended up getting upset and yelling at her, couldn't keep it up. I fell back into the same routine before, giving her control. I realize gave her so much power and nothing to work for.

Now the summer started, I don't see her everyday. She text sometimes. I don't know what approach to take. Since I don't see her everyday, the ignore routine might not work. Just want the girl and my pride back. She's on IM now, not sure how to respond if she im me. Haven't replied to her text today.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Tiguere

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Go read the dj bible.

You seem to have no game at all. We need fix yourself. Getting rid of the niceguy pest inside you should be first priority.

next we need to give you an abundance mentality instead of the scarcity one you seem to carry and infect all your friends with.

This girl is the least of your problems.
 

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Agree the nice guy routine is holding me back. Cool with my friends, its just the girl. Looking for specifics.
 

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nightfall said:
Reading these threads, I realize my mistakes!During this past semester in college got close with this girl and became really clingy.

I don't think you do because I bet you if you had another chance with her, you would do the same all over again. Don't be clingy with a girl. That was your first mistake.

I showed a lot attention, bought gifts, asked for dates, etc.

Why were you buying her gifts? Did you buy her stuffed teddy bears? You don't buy girls gifts to get dates.

I helped her for every test and homework of the 3 classes we took together. We even did a few all nighters.

Again, being the nice guy who she just sees as a friend. I knew guys in school that did this and those guys were called "suckers". The girls used them so they would help them pass the class and get the grade and after it was over they became an aquaintance and ignored them. I'm sure they liked the gifts they got tho. Don't do this anymore, it doesn't help you at all getting a girl and she won't like you anymore if you do or don't help her with her homework.

I never got the attention I wanted and complained about it a few time.

Why would you get the attention you wanted? You were giving it all to her. Buying her gifts, doing her work, that's what she wanted you for and that is why you got that attention during that time. She didn't need you after the study buddy time. Complaining about it makes you look even more weak than buying the gifts and doing the homework. Don't complain, buy gifts, or do homework for them.


I even tried the ignore routine to increase attention. It seemed to work,but I ended up getting upset and yelling at her, couldn't keep it up.

You were giving HER attention, she wasn't giving you any, except for your study buddy time, that's all she wanted you for, so why are you getting upset and yelling at her? You were the clingy attention showerer, she wasn't, so why are you upset and yelling?

I fell back into the same routine before, giving her control. I realize gave her so much power and nothing to work for.

Yes, and the fact she saw you as a way to get her grades and thought of you as a study buddy not a f*** buddy.


Now the summer started, I don't see her everyday. She text sometimes. I don't know what approach to take. Since I don't see her everyday, the ignore routine might not work.

You mean you still want to try to get with her after all you went through? After she showed you no attention, you yelled at her, and used you to get her work done? What makes you think that after all that and the unmanly behavior you displayed that this girl is going to want to be with you? You think she will change all that? She is not, and when the semester starts again, she will do the same, and you will be buying the gifts and being the chump. Don't do that and be that way. Ignore her and find another girl and don't do the same mistakes you have done with this one.

Just want the girl and my pride back.

Sorry, but your pride is gone, and you're going to have to swallow it and learn from this mistake and don't repeat them again. She will only contact you when she needs something. When she wants her homework and tests done. She's probably out banging other guys and they aren't buying her gifts or doing her homework for her. Don't do that again. Forget her and find a girl who is worth your time, and a girl who shows you REAL attention, the attention YOU want. Don't be clingy with the next one and buy gifts.

She's on IM now, not sure how to respond if she im me. Haven't replied to her text today.

You don't respond, you ignore her and show her the lack of attention she showed you except when she wanted help with her work to get good grades. We all learn from mistakes, and you can learn from yours, so don't be the "nice clingy guy" that gets nowhere with women.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I don't think you'll have a good shot at getting in her pants. she knows how you are, it'll just be a huge uphill battle. might as well forget about her, infact ignore her like that guy above said, she'll only hold you back from getting better at this point.
 

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Thanks bruh, starting to see it as a learning experience, a stepping stone to the next one. Thought she was "different." Realizing now, there is no such thing.
 

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Thanks bruh, starting to see it as a learning experience, a stepping stone to the next one. Thought she was "different." Realizing now, there is no such thing.
 

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yeh, this all seem clear as day now. Like I say, I'm learning. Appreciate the replies.
 
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