I know an AFC that is the exception to the rule.

[RazorAzoth]

I guess this fits into the "looks matter" debate. My cousin is the absolute biggest AFC in the world. Extremely shy, awkward, low self-esteem, social anxiety, too nice, etc. However, he's good looking. I've seen firsthand a beautiful girl that could have any guy she wanted approached HIM about going out saying how hot he was. She didn't see confidence, alpha male characteristics, good body language, good posture...none of this. He's constantly getting blatant looks for girls practically begging him with their eyes to approach them.

I think looks matter A LOT more than what people say they do. He's a classic example of a good looking nice guy, beta male that gets hot chicks. Nice guys never get laid....unless they're good looking.

 

[Forty0ztoFreedom]

Extremely shy, awkward, low self-esteem, social anxiety, too nice, etc.

So what if he gets laid? The guy sounds miserable.

 

[slaog]

Everybody has their ideals. Women will dream about a particular sort of man. He'll look a certain way and behave in a certain way. When women see your cousin they see the man of their dreams. So naturally they want him. Yes looks can do that.


The problem: When the women actually talk to your cousin they'll see the awkward, unconfident, AFC he is and get turned right off. They'll feel nothing for him.


Women need to feel something for a person and you don't have to be good looking to push the right buttons. AFC's no matter how good looking are still AFC's. Things might come easier but it doesn't matter if they havn't the right mindset to keep women feeling attracted to them.


Has you're good looking cousin ever been in a long term relationship? Or have women continued to want to be with him after they realised he's not the man of their dreams?

 

[WaRpEd]

Good looks help...alot.

He may get the random girl, which approaches him. But is he honestly at his full potential?? Does he actually keep the girl??? Is he happy????

I'm a fairly good looking guy, which helped me out alot through my rAFC days, I would always turn heads, and everyonce in a while an attractive girl would approach me. But I am so much better off now.

Women need to feel something for a person and you don't have to be good looking to push the right buttons. AFC's no matter how good looking are still AFC's. Things might come easier but it doesn't matter if they havn't the right mindset to keep women feeling attracted to them.

Yea what he said...lol


"We should not allow ourselves to be too easily content, because truly there is no limit to our potential. Since their is no limit to our potential and there is a limit to the span of our life, we must make every effort to utilize what little time we have as well as we possibly can." Dalai Llama

 

[Interceptor]

Whoah, hold on there, first you're saying he gets 'approached', now you're saying for a fact 'he gets laid'?
You have proof of said lays? AND...is this consistent?

 

[IKO69]

Sometimes the women go for the AFC. I have seen it happen before, though rare. People are people and you can't really label, each has their own preferences.

 

[int3l]

so looks matter, who gives a damn. We all know looks matter no matter how much people deny it. Looks, appearance, aura they all work to create that crucial first impression. If you don't have the looks, work on the other aspects to work to improve your looks. You may not end up looking like the hottest guy on the planet but as long as it's an improvement, it's an improvement.

Also, looks are not the be all and end all. Sure it'll help but in the long run it doesn't really matter, at all. Also, just like us women are different. Some just like the nerdy, needy type.

 

[Jeffst1980]

In the end, he may be an "exception" but he's actually WORSE off for it.

Why?

Because he's going to have much more difficulty changing his ways. Guys that don't have looks going for them learn pretty fast that they need to approach girls and develop something of a personality if they ever want to even get a DATE. Your friend just has to wait for girls to approach him--in his eyes, this is normal.

If he remains the same, he is going to find that every single one of the girls that calls him "hot" is going to be plagued with buyer's remorse in the end. He is not going to be able to keep any of these girls except for the low quality, domineering ones that will turn his life into a living hell. A guy that is unable to assert himself will usually wind up with an aggressive, selfish woman that takes the lead in place of him.

Yes, looks matter if all you want is for random girls to approach you and call you "hot." Being good looking will give you a wider margin of error in pickups, too. However, a good looking AFC is still an Average, Frustrated Chump.

My own experience: When I was in my teens, I was decent looking enough that attractive girls would approach me or tell their friends that they thought I was cute. At the time, I believed that that was all I needed. Wrong! When it came down to it, I was unable to take the lead on the interaction and killed the attraction. Then, in my later teen/ early twenties, I was able to fake pretty decent outer game as a result of reading this kind of website, and started laying girls---the first 3 of which were one night stands that never returned my phone calls again. Why? Because inside, I neglected my inner game and was still an AFC. It wasn't until age 24 that I finally got myself to a place where I was doing the dumping. Placing the focus in my life on myself rather than girls, together with "spinning plates" really helped get me there.

Good looking or not, there is no "exception to the rule." You MUST have strong inner game and good outer game/ social skills to get and keep girls interested in you. Somehow, that stuff often comes easier for less attractive guys who learn to compensate early on.

 

[Lexington]

I don't think he's an "exception" per se. Looks absolutely do matter. But they are not the ONLY factor. Good game can compensate for a lack of looks unless one is hideously ugly. I've see in it first hand. Obviously, the best combination is looks + game.

 

[Jitterbug]

It's written in the DJ Bible, Book of Pook as well as mentioned many times on this forum that it's a common misconception that AFCs don't get laid. They do. At what cost to their development into Men, if there's any development at all?

I had a friend who has a rude head (i.e really ugly), super-AFC-nice, still lived at home at 29 y.o (when I met him), couldn't hold down a job and had to ask mommy for money all the time. But he got quite a few hot chicks in his days (before he got married a year ago). His secret? His dad is one of the richest men in my city. My friend is a little boy in an adult body but he's super-loaded and he attracted many hot, gold-digging chicks (and his GFs all cheated on him, btw).

Do I wish to swap places with him sometimes? Hell yes! Especially when he had those babes hanging off his arm and I was a poor student and an ignorant AFC. Do I wish to change my life for his? Hell NO!

 

[Metaphysical]

I guess this fits into the "looks matter" debate. My cousin is the absolute biggest AFC in the world. Extremely shy, awkward, low self-esteem, social anxiety, too nice, etc. However, he's good looking. I've seen firsthand a beautiful girl that could have any guy she wanted approached HIM about going out saying how hot he was. She didn't see confidence, alpha male characteristics, good body language, good posture...none of this. He's constantly getting blatant looks for girls practically begging him with their eyes to approach them.

I think looks matter A LOT more than what people say they do. He's a classic example of a good looking nice guy, beta male that gets hot chicks. Nice guys never get laid....unless they're good looking.

you're totally right. in my signature you can see my old pictures when i was a skinny little nerd versus now where i put on a lot of muscle and grew my hair out, cleared my skin up and dressed better..

i went from having girls run away from me to having them WANT and BEG to be with me..

but your cousin won't be able to enjoy his looks fully unless he develops the inner game to be able to conquer these womens hearts, otherwise he will always have to settle for whatever girl falls in his lap literally