I just got into a MAJOR fight with my girlfriend. Should I apologize?

[Production6257]

My girlfriend and I just got into possibly the biggest fight I have ever gotten into. Seriously, this is bad. The relationship looks to be on the brink of being over. We actually started arguing when she mentioned the "wage gap" between men and women, and I said it was mainly due to the fact that men are willing to work tougher schedules while women tend to need time to stay home with the kids (am I right on this?). Well one thing led to another and here are some highlights of the conversation:

At one point, I mentioned the word "fatherhood", and she claimed that fatherhood doesn't exist. "maybe if husbands cooked, cleaned, or changed a ****in diaper, there wouldn't be so much on women", she said. She talked about how men are much lazier than women and aren't as intelligent. Then she proceeded to basically bash men and talk about how we are such pigs and a-holes, etc. Really feminazi bs that she seemed to have pulled straight out of a women's studies course.

The end of the conversation went like this:

Well, first of all I left the argument and went to the gym. When I came back she began sending me statistics about how men have it easier than women in the workplace, etc.,
Me: o baby! you are blinding me with your genius!
Her: you're a fvcking as$hole
Me: fvck off
Her: you're just mad because i have the statistics and you are losing this.
Me: You're actually looking stupider by the second. It's not what you are saying now, but it's what you said about fathers and men in general.
Her: you're such a fvcking as$hole. i dunno if i like being treated like this.
Me: you obviously are bitter towards males that you have dealt with in your life
Her: you just told me to fvck off, you didnt even read what i was saying.
i don't appreciate you telling me to **** off.
Me: i didnt realize that you were one of those man-hating feminists
Her: thanks for giving me reason to hate.
Me: yea ditto to that
Her: until you realize that how you just talked to me is wrong, i'm not doing this.
Me: same! goodbye.

(during this conversation before this it got kind of off topic and personal, it wasn't all arguments over feminism stuff, this is just how it ended.)

Then I signed off. She called me as I was typing this asking me to sign back on, and I said no i don't want to talk about it. Do you think apologizing is the right thing to do in this situation? I feel strongly on the subject because i feel like it is a form of sexism on her part and I have reservations about dating a feminist, but at the same time we do have some great times together when we aren't arguing. What would you do in this situation?

 

[iqqi]

You made it sexist with your comment " it was mainly due to the fact that men are willing to work tougher schedules while women tend to need time to stay home with the kids ".

And no, you are not right about that. Your girlfriend probably pulled up a stat that showed a woman without children, who had the same experience and job as a man, but makes less. This is something that goes on in America today.

Then you called her a feminist and all that just because she disagreed with you. SO you basically started calling her names that have meaning for you, and you called her bitter. Meanwhile you refused to back up anything you said, even though she was making an effort to back up what she was saying. So now she feel misjudged, unappreciated, and that she is involved with a bitter woman-hating man.

When she called you an as$hole, that was her way of saying she is really upset! Really p!ssed off.

Good luck with that.

By the way, I am a girl, so if you really buy into all the horsesh!t myths about women, you may not want to listen to anything I have just said.

 

[Production6257]

You made it sexist with your comment " it was mainly due to the fact that men are willing to work tougher schedules while women tend to need time to stay home with the kids ".

And no, you are not right about that. Your girlfriend probably pulled up a stat that showed a woman without children, who had the same experience and job as a man, but makes less. This is something that goes on in America today.

Then you called her a feminist and all that just because she disagreed with you. SO you basically started calling her names that have meaning for you, and you called her bitter. Meanwhile you refused to back up anything you said, even though she was making an effort to back up what she was saying. So now she feel misjudged, unappreciated, and that she is involved with a bitter woman-hating man.

When she called you an as$hole, that was her way of saying she is really upset! Really p!ssed off.

Good luck with that.

By the way, I am a girl, so if you really buy into all the horsesh!t myths about women, you may not want to listen to anything I have just said.

I really don't want to make this political at all, but in the beginning of the argument I backed up everything I said with facts from textbooks and websites, such as the fact that 92% of work-related deaths are men, and men are 20X more likely to receive the death penalty for murder, etc. (to that, she said "well, I understand why women would kill their husbands".) She turned the argument personal and I didn't back down to it. We are both stubborn so that makes it tougher. But the thing is, I feel like we are both in the wrong here for arguing and I don't know if I look weak by apologizing and then she "wins" the argument.

 

[iqqi]

She probably won't apologize since you started it by saying that men basically should get more money than women, doing the same exact job. If you believe that, then that is another reason she is probably mad. Has to do with fairness and principles, which is way deeper than petty bickering.

 

[X-ecution]

I really don't want to make this political at all, but in the beginning of the argument I backed up everything I said with facts from textbooks and websites, such as the fact that 92% of work-related deaths are men, and men are 20X more likely to receive the death penalty for murder, etc. (to that, she said "well, I understand why women would kill their husbands".) She turned the argument personal and I didn't back down to it. We are both stubborn so that makes it tougher. But the thing is, I feel like we are both in the wrong here for arguing and I don't know if I look weak by apologizing and then she "wins" the argument.

who cares who wins. keep in mind that you will never "win" and argument with a woman by fighting her

you win by apologizing because you are man enough to admit that you were wrong. she's a child for thinking that her anger is an excuse to insult you and other men alike.

i say be a man and apologize. she'll respect you for it and she'll apologize also.
if not then at least you were the bigger person, able to admit your faults and not stand behind them.

it's a stupid argument, and and even stupider way to break up. so just kiss and make up

 

[My Name is Nobody]

I think it's true that women get paid less.

 

[Maxtro]

IMO hammahamma you went too far. You should probably apologize if you want to stay with her.

 

[Phyzzle]

We actually started arguing when she mentioned the "wage gap" between men and women, and I said it was mainly due to the fact that men are willing to work tougher schedules while women tend to need time to stay home with the kids (am I right on this?).

Yes, you are. Iqqi and your gf are both quite wrong, as you discovered when you did the actual research.

BUT YOU ARE STILL BEING A STUPID PR!CK. That much is right!

Me: o baby! you are blinding me with your genius!
Her: you're a fvcking as$hole
Me: fvck off
Her: you're just mad because i have the statistics and you are losing this.
Me: You're actually looking stupider by the second. It's not what you are saying now, but it's what you said about fathers and men in general.

Stupider like a fox!

Dude, you don't sound like a civil or intelligent debator here, so stay off the heavy subjects. Don't go having gravely serious convos with a woman unless absolutely necessary! As you see, you aren't having fun.

 

[John-467]

To the creator of this post....2 things:

1.) Stop being so sensitive shyt. Let loose a little....

2.) In Woman's "Talk" she is telling you SHE IS FVCKIN BORED. She is bored with her present situation, not stimuplaed........FVCK UR CHICK DUDE. I am willing to be ANYTHING that she has already cheated on you.

Again, guys seem to get this very simple shyt wrong. Women want you to fulfill their sexual needs...when you don't do that...they hate you. Even if you both are broke, she'll hate everybody else but still love you.

Women are pretty simple, but it's the simplicity that makes men "miss it" because according to men, there MUST be something else.

That's why after learning how to just be a comfortabel, cool, open, humorous, and sexual person.....this site and all of the man's movement bullshyt is irrelvant.

 

[X-ecution]

To the creator of this post....2 things:

1.) Stop being so sensitive shyt. Let loose a little....

2.) In Woman's "Talk" she is telling you SHE IS FVCKIN BORED. She is bored with her present situation, not stimuplaed........FVCK UR CHICK DUDE. I am willing to be ANYTHING that she has already cheated on you.

Again, guys seem to get this very simple shyt wrong. Women want you to fulfill their sexual needs...when you don't do that...they hate you. Even if you both are broke, she'll hate everybody else but still love you.

Women are pretty simple, but it's the simplicity that makes men "miss it" because according to men, there MUST be something else.

That's why after learning how to just be a comfortabel, cool, open, humorous, and sexual person.....this site and all of the man's movement bullshyt is irrelvant.

bro, that's a outrageous statement.

probably not true either

 

[AFC Savior]

women need to be banned from this site, this is NOT a site for women, and that Iggi idiot needs to shut her trap, she cant give advice to men on how to deal with women, it defeats the purpose of this site!!

#2 - NEVER ARGUE WITH A GIRL

you cant win arguments........the best win is to shut your mouth, walk away, get her all hot and bothered cuz u are "ignoring" her, and then fvck her brains out and make her feel how much you "love" her from how hard you make her cvm

 

[Phyzzle]

I'll explain for those who might be confused. There are indeed studies showing that women with full time jobs get paid less money than the average man with a full time job.

However, such studies do not address pay PER HOUR for the SAME JOB given the SAME LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE. Sure, men do get paid more for a full time job, that is true, but do men really make more PER HOUR than women? It is fiendishly difficult to find any PER HOUR pay study that shows such a distinction. Did I mention PER HOUR? Because if you don't look at PER HOUR pay, you aren't really comparing jack squat.

Besides, just think about it. If women at, for example, Wal Mart made 2/3rds of the salary of a man for precisely the same job, then every man would be terminated within a day. They would be replaced by women, and the 1/3rd reduction in salary would be gobbled up by the executives and shareholders. Of course, this doesn't happen.

Anyways, hammahamminaha, debating should be left for the Phyzzles of the world . As for what you do now, yes, it's okay to apologize. Tell her you just got into defensive mode for your position and you weren't listening to her. Just laugh it off, and DIFFUSE these sticky, pointless arguments with HUMOR.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

It's general knowledge women get paid less. It happens in my company right now.

 

[sav]

learn to agree to disagree....

no need to act childish...

 

[DonJuan11]

My girlfriend and I just got into possibly the biggest fight I have ever gotten into. Seriously, this is bad. The relationship looks to be on the brink of being over. We actually started arguing when she mentioned the "wage gap" between men and women, and I said it was mainly due to the fact that men are willing to work tougher schedules while women tend to need time to stay home with the kids (am I right on this?). Well one thing led to another and here are some highlights of the conversation:

At one point, I mentioned the word "fatherhood", and she claimed that fatherhood doesn't exist. "maybe if husbands cooked, cleaned, or changed a ****in diaper, there wouldn't be so much on women", she said. She talked about how men are much lazier than women and aren't as intelligent. Then she proceeded to basically bash men and talk about how we are such pigs and a-holes, etc. Really feminazi bs that she seemed to have pulled straight out of a women's studies course.

The end of the conversation went like this:

Well, first of all I left the argument and went to the gym. When I came back she began sending me statistics about how men have it easier than women in the workplace, etc.,
Me: o baby! you are blinding me with your genius!
Her: you're a fvcking as$hole
Me: fvck off
Her: you're just mad because i have the statistics and you are losing this.
Me: You're actually looking stupider by the second. It's not what you are saying now, but it's what you said about fathers and men in general.
Her: you're such a fvcking as$hole. i dunno if i like being treated like this.
Me: you obviously are bitter towards males that you have dealt with in your life
Her: you just told me to fvck off, you didnt even read what i was saying.
i don't appreciate you telling me to **** off.
Me: i didnt realize that you were one of those man-hating feminists
Her: thanks for giving me reason to hate.
Me: yea ditto to that
Her: until you realize that how you just talked to me is wrong, i'm not doing this.
Me: same! goodbye.

(during this conversation before this it got kind of off topic and personal, it wasn't all arguments over feminism stuff, this is just how it ended.)

Then I signed off. She called me as I was typing this asking me to sign back on, and I said no i don't want to talk about it. Do you think apologizing is the right thing to do in this situation? I feel strongly on the subject because i feel like it is a form of sexism on her part and I have reservations about dating a feminist, but at the same time we do have some great times together when we aren't arguing. What would you do in this situation?

I thought a fight meant face to face, not over a computer screen.

How can you even like her if you are swearing at her? You swear at your enemy in sports, when a business deal goes bad, when you lose something. You don't swear at the girl you sleep with. Sounds to me like you wanted to piss her off and you don't even like her because she's not pretty enough

 

[Effington]

Umm, wow. I think you took that way, way too far. If you have such a big argument over such a small issue, are you sure there's not something else going on there?

 

[Epic]

You should have known better and ended this topic as soon as it came up. The subject itself was basically sexism to begin with. Frankly, I think she was in the wrong. Look again at what he said:

it was mainly due to the fact that men are willing to work tougher schedules while women tend to need time to stay home with the kids

You could choose to look at it as a sexist statement, but it doesn't look that way to me. True it may have been a little bit stereotypical, but not in a derogatory manner. He did not make any statement that claimed women were inferior to men. It is true that the majority of the time it is the woman who takes on the daily responsibility of the children, which IS an important job if you ask me. Although it doesn't explain the wage gap, he is still being respectful at heart, even if it came out with stereotypical undertones. Now look at what she said:

At one point, I mentioned the word "fatherhood", and she claimed that fatherhood doesn't exist. "maybe if husbands cooked, cleaned, or changed a ****in diaper, there wouldn't be so much on women", she said. She talked about how men are much lazier than women and aren't as intelligent. Then she proceeded to basically bash men and talk about how we are such pigs and a-holes, etc.

SHE is being sexist! Now, I know there are those who run out on their children, and there are lazy unemployed dead beats as well, but there are both women and men who have done this. She is bluntly stating that men have no relevance when it comes to the upbringing of their children. She then goes on to imply that men are inferior human beings in comparison to women and is intentionally being insulting. He called her a feminist because she was male bashing.

I don't blame him for being angry, I would be too. If it were me I wouldn't want to hear anymore of it either. It stops looking like she's saying women deserve equal status. It looks like she's saying women deserve superior status. He got mad because of her extreme self-righteous attitude. It could have ended when he left for the gym, but yet she HAD to continue it when he got back. He was being sarcastic because he was still angry at what she said.

Her: you're just mad because i have the statistics and you are losing this.
Me: You're actually looking stupider by the second. It's not what you are saying now, but it's what you said about fathers and men in general.

He tried to tell her why he was mad!

Her: you're such a fvcking as$hole. i dunno if i like being treated like this.
Me: you obviously are bitter towards males that you have dealt with in your life
Her: you just told me to fvck off, you didnt even read what i was saying.
i don't appreciate you telling me to **** off.

She's whining and acting disrespected because he told her to fvck off, after she pretty much called him unimportant, lazy, stupid, a pig, and an a-hole!

Her: until you realize that how you just talked to me is wrong, i'm not doing this.

Then she has the audacity to put HIM in the dog house until HE apologizes?!?!

Look, I LOVE women, I have a mother and a sister, I think that women are equal to us and are valuable to our society, and I respect women in general. I would have lost respect for her after that. I understand her frustration and her point, but statistics or not, that still doesn't give her the right to insult men.

Iqqi:
SO you basically started calling her names that have meaning for you, and you called her bitter. Meanwhile you refused to back up anything you said, even though she was making an effort to back up what she was saying. So now she feel misjudged, unappreciated, and that she is involved with a bitter woman-hating man.When she called you an as$hole, that was her way of saying she is really upset! Really p!ssed off.

Like I said, I understand how she must feel about the subject, but SHE was the one who started the name calling. He didn't want to back it up and he didn't want to hear anymore because he was sick of the conversation. Don't you think he felt misjudged, unappreciated, that he was involved with a bitter man-hating woman? If you can justify her calling him an a$$hole, then I can justify him saying what he said to her, which by no means compares to what she said.

Whatever you do, don't apologize. You may have made some mistakes, but she was the one who started being disrespectful. If a man slapped a woman just because she talked back to him, would you expect her to apologize in order to be the "bigger person"? Do you really think she would feel like it? Of course not! DO NOT APOLOGIZE. If you're going to stick it out, avoid conversations where the topic is a big issue you know you're both going to be on opposite sides of.

If it were me, I would tell her that since she hates men so much, I'm going to do her a favor and dump her. I HATE feminists who talk to you like this. If you're going to debate an issue have some respect and don't act like an extremist. I have to stop now this subject boils my blood!

 

[ValleyDJing]

F--- that b--ch!! I hope she dies an agonizing death stemming from injuries she sustained in a violent car wreck along with her mother, father, and any other doush bag who hand a hand in raising her and the formation of her defunct and corrupt mind! I hope that she never has children and I hope she goes directly to hell for her blasphemies!

You tell her to clear the sand out of her bearded axe wound. Tell her God is a just God, and that you are thankful he saw fit to bestow the pain and discomfort of child bearing and menstruation on the inferior sex. Tell her the story of Adam and Eve, and how Woman f--cked up Man's one chance at perfection with her deceitful and devious nature.

After you have finished purifying her mind and soul, take a 25 to Life for the team and throw that c--t down the nearest stairwell, thereby sending her to an untimely, however just death, and cleansing the world of another fem-nazi in the process.

 

[ValleyDJing]

Btw...I don't think its really imperative that I tell you this, but for what its worth, no, I don't think you should apologize. lol!

 

[Potbelly]

Btw...I don't think its really imperative that I tell you this, but for what its worth, no, I don't think you should apologize. lol!

Hmm yeah you kinda went all out two posts before this haha...extreme motherfvker you are.

But I agree with ValleyDJ...damn waht is up with you people saying "forgive her." She basically said men are below women and don't do sh1t for the world. Most of the progress in the world, scientific, etc were built by MEN. Women didn't have the opportunity? Too fvcking bad, they still have to respect men for doing great in the world.

Drop kick this woman to the curb bro. She isn't worth it. But learn a lesson from this: don't argue with a woman SERIOUSLY. Never get emotionally involved in an argument with a woman. If a woman tries to start an argument with me, I just nodd sarcastically and imitate them.

Example:

girl: girls are better than men!
me: yeah! like...totally...like yeah! like, girls are like, soooo much better like ya! (valley girl style.)
girl: :cuss:

OR

girl: girls are better than men!
me: yeah giving painful birth is definitely something I wish I could do.
girl: you're an *******
me: my bad my bad. so girls are better. like brunettes are better than blondes? like that?

Never take LOGICAL arguments BASED ON REASON seriously with the EMOTIONAL WACKED OUT SEX. It's just a waste of time bro.

And lastly, remember this - the parting shot:

When Galileo was put on trial about his beliefs that the world revolved around the sun, instead of everything revolving around the world, he agreed with the pope saying "yeah the world is the center of the universe, you're right."

But when he left, he said the most famous "parting shot" in history. As he was taken away he said:

"And still it revolves."

So don't get all emotionally linked to this bullsh1t. It's all bullsh1t anyways. Keep your beliefs and make her go sh1t herself and stress herself out over this. You got better thing to do man.