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I have a meeting with "my girl"

alphaace

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So I have been kinda seeing this girl, and I say kinda because after a month we still havnt made out, partially because she is pretty conservative and partially because I havnt pushed the issue hard enough, even though I did try a few times.

Just a little warning, its a little long and probably has a lot of irrelivent information but I was just typing as things came to my mind.

Little background.

Met the girl through a friend at a Christian event. That night we exchanged numbers....and honestly I don't remember what happen the two weeks following this because I have a terrible memory, so lets fastward to the time I do remember. Went on two dinner dates and hung out a few times, one was watching a Florida football game, another was at my bestfriends 21st and a few other get togethers.

Being that this girl is pretty conservative, she really believes that the guy should be calling/texting first and setting everything up, which I find completly rediculous, so thats probably a factor into this meeting tomorrow because I don't text/call her everyday because I work and go to school and I have sh.it to do.

Lets go back to my bestfriends 21st, since im sure this is where it all stemmed from (the reason why she wants to talk), which happen to be this friday that just pasted. The night started out pretty good, I had a really bad day at work and so I hit the keg pretty good at the very start. Since I had a bad day at work and their were a good amount of work friends there that had all heard what happened they all wanted me to tell them what happen through my side, and instead of telling them all at once they kept coming to me in small groups which was really disrupting my hang out time with my girl. Everytime I told each group the story my girl would laugh while I told it, because even though it was a bad day at work the story was pretty funny..kinda. So after all these people left me alone my girl went to sit on the couch and I went and got us some beer. When I came back she was talking to this guy that sat down next to her, I handed her her drink and she kept talking to the guy, so I was like, ok, and I went and talked to my friends since she seemed more interested in talking to this guy then me....

(To be honest, now that I look back on it, its probably because I was spending too much time with my workfriends telling them all the story and not enough alone time with her, so this was probably her way of getting back at me.)

...we eventually did start talking and I pretended this guy didn't even exist, after talking for a bit I mentioned that we should go get in the hot tub. So we go put our swim suits on and when I walk outside to get in the hot tub there is this dude is again talking to my date in the hot tub. I didn't even go to the hot tub at this point, after making eye contact with my date I just stared at her for a second or two and then the guy she was talking to, then I went and chilled with some people i've never met. We were pretty drunk at this point and we got on the topic of what percent we all thought that this guy in the hot tub had pee'd in the hot tub, while we are throwing precentages out and laughing pretty hard (since we were pretty drunk) my date comes over to join us, we fill her in on the topic and she just laughs and throws her guess into the mix. After a couple minutes of talking and laughing on the subject....she goes back into the hot tub with the guy...at this point I started to get a little bit upset and admittingly jealous. So I went over and joined her and this guy. After a couple minutes of small talk this guy gets out to go smoke a cigarette which was freaking disgusting. So its just me and my date and I pull her close to me and we are pretty much all over eachother (without making out). The guy comes back, more small talk, he leaves, I pull her close again, blah blah blah. Her friend (female) comes picks her up and thats pretty much the end of that night between the two of us.

The next day (Saturday), from my assuption from talking to her earlier in the week she made it seem like she would be busy all day with work and a few other things. I just stayed at my bestfriends all day and watched football with the guys and didn't text her all day cause she would be busy. Later at night (10pm) she sends me a text saying, "Christopher why have you not texted me all day? That makes a girl ask some questions haha". Long story short she says she only went to work because she felt sick.

So now we are on Sunday. I text her while I was at work cause it was a pretty slow day. We made small talk and eventually her text started getting shorter and shorter so I just stop texting.

Now today, after I get home from work she texts me saying that "We need to talk". I asked about what and she said "just some stuff". I offered that we meet someplace and talked and she said not tonight because she had to study.

So now we are where we should have been about (what feels like) 20 minutes ago, haha, sorry for the long story. We are gonna meet up tomorrow after our classes and talk about "Just some stuff".

I pretty much know whats coming as do most of you. My question is, what should I say in responce.
 

Donnie Darko

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UGGGHH...I feel sick reading that.

She is your girl and you've been with her for a month and you haven't even kissed her or escalated.

So get ready to get dumped and get the LJBF speech.

And it sounds like you don't have anyone to blame but yourself.

You didn't take action. You weren't successful in making a move to kiss her or escalate further.

Is it really that hard to kiss her if you can grab her in the hot tub and pull her close to you???

Hell, I don't know why you want to even bother with this girl and your going to let her dump you and LJBF you.

Here are a couple options:

1. You could preemptively dump her.
2. You could go to the meeting and let her dump you and LJBF you. Then respond by rejecting her offer of LJBF by saying no thanks and walking away and NEXTing her.
3. Ask another girl out for the same day as your meeting with her and tell her that you need to cancel the meeting with her because you have a date. Then go no contact and see if you can raise her interest level, set up a date with her then make a move and kiss her and escalate the next time you see her. (I don't see option #3 working but you could try it if you really want to. It sounds like you need to be dating other girls anyway).

Maybe I'm wrong....maybe she wants to talk to you about having sex (Don't hold your breath).

Let us know what happens.
 

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Donnie, I have tried to escalate into kissing, she kept pulling away, and yes, even in the hot tub when we were all over eachother. And you're absolutly right, it is my fault, and I won' hold my breath, haha.

But seriously, im pretty sure 99% of this is caused by her expecting me to be the first to make contact about everything, cause im just not willing to do that.

Anyway, im probably gonna go with #2.
 

Donnie Darko

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I don't see any reason to want to date a girl that won't even let you kiss her...after a month.

I don't understand how she is pulling away.

Is she turning her cheek?

Sometimes you just have to grab the girl like a man and kiss her.

She hardly even has a chance to think. Let alone the chance to pull away. I mean you're stronger than her. Right?

She can turn her cheek. She can tell you no. She can keep her lips closed.

But pull away. I don't think I understand.

I used to show my respect for girls by waiting until after the 1st date to try to kiss the girl.

I changed my mindset and always go for the kiss on the 1st date if I'm interested in her.

Hell sometimes I just do it for the practice or to fvck with the girls head even if I'm not interested.

Basically it saves me from wasting time trying to figure out whether the girl is interested in me. I don't want to go on a second date with a girl and waste my time if she isn't interested in me...bc I have better things to do and more women to meet and date.
 

SandHawk

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Alphaace, why do you consider this girl 'your girl' without even kissing her?

First of all, re-read the DJ bible and then consider this question: How would you react to a girl declaring you her boyfriend without even consulting you on it, or without even making out with her? That's right, you'd suddenly have a chick running around claiming you're her boyfriend after a few dates where nothing happened. I bet you'd feel uncomfortable there.

On the other hand: Would you want to be with a girl this conservative and this prude? I know not everyone is happy with PDA, but avoiding making out in even a private setting is just utter and total useless! You want to be able to enjoy your girl, and a proper makeout session is part of that, as well as giving her a good c*cking. Hell, she isn't showing initiative, except on moaning you haven't texted her a WHOLE DAY! OMG, YOU DID NOT TEXT ME! "F*ck that drama, if you want my attention, you better work for it b*tch, not the other way around." <- That should be your response to that, not "Oh sorry, let's fluff some more".

As for your options: You never escalated over the course of the past month, so that will never happen from here on. By not escalating you created a certain setting where not kissing is the standard, and it's extremely difficult to change that setting. It's like hitting a brickwall and trying to punch through it, unless you have fists of iron or a hardened will, you won't get through it. And you have neither of those two, otherwise you would have escalated long ago.

Consider her a lost cause. Pre-emptively dump her ass or arrange a backup plate on short term. She won't put out now, she will never do it. Hell, you can see it with the very conservatives after they get married: They only bang to produce some kids and right after they got married because they discover how fun it is. However, since the standard is to not f*ck, sexuality won't thrive in such relationships and after 2 years, they hardly get it on. For them, it becomes a choir like scratching when you have itch.

In short: Don't go for conservative girls that won't put out, they suck, but not your c*ck.
 

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"not tonight, I have to study"....
<the vein pattern on that other guy's schlong>
 

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Donnie Darko said:
Let us know what happens.
Straight from her mouth, "I think that you like me more then I like you so I don't think we should be "seeing" eachother anymore."

First its "Why havnt you texted me all now" to now I like her more then she likes me.

Why are girls so ****ing stupid?
 

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alphaace said:
Straight from her mouth, "I think that you like me more then I like you so I don't think we should be "seeing" eachother anymore."

First its "Why havnt you texted me all now" to now I like her more then she likes me.

Why are girls so ****ing stupid?
Give us some more detail.

Did you meet in person?

How long did you meet?

What did she say?

How did you respond to her?

And what was her reaction to your response?
 

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Why the hell did you set yourself up to be dumped when you knew in advance what was about to happen?

You should have dumped her first. Do you enjoy the feeling of being dumped? I´m sure she enjoyed dumping you.
 

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Donnie Darko said:
Give us some more detail.
Did you meet in person?

Yes

How long did you meet?

5 Minutes max

What did she say?

That I liked her more then she liked me and didn't think it would work .

How did you respond to her?

I looked her straight in the eyes with a confused look because that was not what I was expecting her to say. Was honestly expecting her to say the opposite. I said "ok" and pretty much left right afterwards.

And what was her reaction to your response?

Don't really know, didn't give her enough time to have a reaction as I just said ok and left.

And obviously she said that we could hang out but that I should know it would be nothing more, at that point I was laughing pretty hard on the inside.
 

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I guess I don't understand why you weren't expecting her to say that. We told you that she was going to dump you and that is exactly what she did.

She just tried to let you down easy so that she could feel good about herself.

I think you handled it well by responding "OK" and walking away in silence.

You should probably NEXT her unless you just want to be friends with her (BARF!!).

If you NEXT her, then delete her number, don't answer her calls, don't return her calls, don't respond to her texts or e-mails, and just cut her out of your life completely.

Go find more girls and this time don't waste a month with them without any action.

Escalate! Escalate! Escalate! If a girl doesn't let you kiss her when you're persistent or rejects your advances, then move on to another one.

You should be mad at yourself for allowing this girl to waste your time and lead you on without any physical intimacy. Don't let it happen again.
 
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