nismo-4
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I thought I'd ask the fellas here this very simple question. And why do you think that women do (or don't) control the dating, love, and sex game?
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I gotta ask the board! Do you think women control the dating, love, and sex game?
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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I've started to seriously question your method of giving advice on alot of your posts; its all way too negative all the while.
In answer to your above question no they dont control it - unless you let them by not being"man" enough
In answer to your above question no they dont control it - unless you let them by not being"man" enough
they absolutely control the dating game. look at all the threads here about online dating. you have every guy, unattractive, average, and very attractive all competing for the same top women. they definitely own the dating game
when it comes to relationships, men have the power. the girl is almost always the one who wants to be exclusive first; or suggets marriage, etc. as the man, you decide when you want to settle down. girls feel like they're on some sort of clock and need to settle down at such and such age. we definitely hold the cards in this field i think.
when it comes to relationships, men have the power. the girl is almost always the one who wants to be exclusive first; or suggets marriage, etc. as the man, you decide when you want to settle down. girls feel like they're on some sort of clock and need to settle down at such and such age. we definitely hold the cards in this field i think.
Mike32ct
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Yes. Women choose. That's as close to controlling the game as you can get.
Of course a guy should "man up" and "handle his business" and do whatever he needs to do and wants to do.
BUT she doesn't care what you do unless you are the type she wants to b@ng. If you are the guy she wants to b@ng, then suddenly your underwater basketweaving hobby is fascinating to her.
This is why you do things for YOURSELF, not for women.
Of course a guy should "man up" and "handle his business" and do whatever he needs to do and wants to do.
BUT she doesn't care what you do unless you are the type she wants to b@ng. If you are the guy she wants to b@ng, then suddenly your underwater basketweaving hobby is fascinating to her.
This is why you do things for YOURSELF, not for women.
In general I think they do control the dating/sex/relationship game.
Although I don't think it has anything to do with any inherent power that mother nature has blessed them with. I just think over generations guys have let it slip away, perhaps we have too much on our plate, maybe its some sort of mass feminization movement, i don't know.
But I think the good news is its never been better for the alpha type, that is in control of himself, his emotions and his ability to not let p*ssy dictate his interaction with women. I think girls are desperate for it because its rare.
my .02
Although I don't think it has anything to do with any inherent power that mother nature has blessed them with. I just think over generations guys have let it slip away, perhaps we have too much on our plate, maybe its some sort of mass feminization movement, i don't know.
But I think the good news is its never been better for the alpha type, that is in control of himself, his emotions and his ability to not let p*ssy dictate his interaction with women. I think girls are desperate for it because its rare.
my .02
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Mike32ct
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I understand your point and agree with most of it. But....MisterD said:
Mens' limited relationship "power" only applies if she wants to date you. She has to choose you first.
PrettyBoyAJ
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In Atlanta, hell ya
Eternal_water
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yeah and I would say always have
cablecow15
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only if you let them
but statistically yes
but statistically yes
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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Women like to think they are completely in control of men, when in fact they aren't. However, the majority will test you to see how much courage you have & to see if you stand up for yourself. A woman will control you in dating, love and sex if you allow her to do it--sadly, more men are becoming puppets in their search of poon, nowadays.
To answer your question: They do not control it 100%, but control a large part of it. I am willing to say they run 70-90% of dating, love and sex game. A good part of them is socialized to believe they are entitled to all these things and that they are the 8th wonders of the world because of their beauty. Yet, there are some unattractive women who have serious psychological issues because of their lack of self-belief because of the lack of good looks. A large part of them also use their sexuality as a means to an end/manipulate men (who are often in leadership/powerful positions) to do the things for them (pay/lift things/and what not. Ironically, the more you comply and allow her to control, the less attraction, value, and respect she will have for you. Shake the hen cage and show her who is the boss and you will have an obedient woman who knows she is intelligent, but that you know better most of the time.
-Rob
To answer your question: They do not control it 100%, but control a large part of it. I am willing to say they run 70-90% of dating, love and sex game. A good part of them is socialized to believe they are entitled to all these things and that they are the 8th wonders of the world because of their beauty. Yet, there are some unattractive women who have serious psychological issues because of their lack of self-belief because of the lack of good looks. A large part of them also use their sexuality as a means to an end/manipulate men (who are often in leadership/powerful positions) to do the things for them (pay/lift things/and what not. Ironically, the more you comply and allow her to control, the less attraction, value, and respect she will have for you. Shake the hen cage and show her who is the boss and you will have an obedient woman who knows she is intelligent, but that you know better most of the time.
-Rob
Like I said, women have an advantage, but sex is only worth roughly $500 on the black market (the real value without Government interference). That is the potential difference in the battery of humanity. Men slightly chase the optimal mates by collecting and providing her with a feasible amount of resources. It's worth a day's pay to a week's pay. It's NOT worth a new car. It's not worth a new house. It's not worth half of what you own for life. Yet men often get themselves in situations where they give all of the above to a woman for ultimately nothing more than pvssy.
Now, the friendship/relationship/family part is different, but to find a good companion/wife/mother is rare IMO. I don't think it's for everyone.
Now, the friendship/relationship/family part is different, but to find a good companion/wife/mother is rare IMO. I don't think it's for everyone.
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I voted YES simply because any woman can have any kind of date she wants at any time. Sites like POF provide an endless supply of guys willing to take women out and pay for them (even the ugly ones). And women are totally in control of the sex that may or may not happen depending on their mood that night. Plain and simple that's total control in my book.
Now where women do lose a little control is when ever it's not about sex or their hot bod any more. Now they have to bring something to the table. There's just an endless supply of dudes out there that want a pump and dump. When it comes to that scenario only, they have full control. Otherwise they have to play ball and hold up their end just like everyone else.
Now where women do lose a little control is when ever it's not about sex or their hot bod any more. Now they have to bring something to the table. There's just an endless supply of dudes out there that want a pump and dump. When it comes to that scenario only, they have full control. Otherwise they have to play ball and hold up their end just like everyone else.
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I'm not implying that correlation means causation, but the high number of "Yes" responses to this question correlate strongly with the number of failures on this board when it comes to dealing with women...
As for my vote, no. Women do not control anything but themselves. Men do not control anything but themselves. Anything you lose or gain in the game is your responsibility.
As for my vote, no. Women do not control anything but themselves. Men do not control anything but themselves. Anything you lose or gain in the game is your responsibility.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Atom Smasher
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Yes, but indirectly.
The media controls the dls game and women dance to its tune because its message is designed to brainwash them as it appeals to their collosal ego. Mission accomplished.
The media controls the dls game and women dance to its tune because its message is designed to brainwash them as it appeals to their collosal ego. Mission accomplished.
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Simple answer: Yes, they do! Why? Because men allow them to control it.
Man's greatest weakness is women, a man can spend his entire life building up an Empire, he can have all the wealth in the world, he can have the best social status that a human can possibly get, he can everything he could ever want, but he'd give it all up for the touch of a woman that captures his heart.
Just look at what Cleopatra did with Ceasar and Marc Anthony and just look what happened with Helen of Troy and the Trojan War. These two women nearly brought down entire Empires, never underestimate a woman. She might not have the same physical strength that you possess, but give her a chance and she'll destroy you from the inside.
If men started thinking with their brain, instead of their heart, the fuzzy feeling they get in their tummy tums and the rock hard penis they develop around attractive women, then this whole control issue wouldn't be an issue at all.
Man's greatest weakness is women, a man can spend his entire life building up an Empire, he can have all the wealth in the world, he can have the best social status that a human can possibly get, he can everything he could ever want, but he'd give it all up for the touch of a woman that captures his heart.
Just look at what Cleopatra did with Ceasar and Marc Anthony and just look what happened with Helen of Troy and the Trojan War. These two women nearly brought down entire Empires, never underestimate a woman. She might not have the same physical strength that you possess, but give her a chance and she'll destroy you from the inside.
If men started thinking with their brain, instead of their heart, the fuzzy feeling they get in their tummy tums and the rock hard penis they develop around attractive women, then this whole control issue wouldn't be an issue at all.
Megaman XIV
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Of course they do!
If a woman wants to get laid or get a man, she can do it easily. Most men can't get a woman that quickly.
Women complain that all the good ones are taken, translated to "I can't find a rich man with lots of muscles"
If a woman wants to get laid or get a man, she can do it easily. Most men can't get a woman that quickly.
Women complain that all the good ones are taken, translated to "I can't find a rich man with lots of muscles"
TillTheEndOfTime
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Anyone who thinks women don't control sex is kidding themselves. There is a reason that prostitution is referred to as the oldest profession....and we know which side of the transaction men and women sit....
I answered no.
The scales of power are drastically tipped in favor of women in their youth, but the power begins to shift, ultimately seismically, in favor of men after around the age of 28 or 30. Ultimately, though, the power is within yourself. If you have masterful control of yourself, your mind, your emotions, your life, the power is yours to champion. Being a rare scarce commodity reigns supreme.
The scales of power are drastically tipped in favor of women in their youth, but the power begins to shift, ultimately seismically, in favor of men after around the age of 28 or 30. Ultimately, though, the power is within yourself. If you have masterful control of yourself, your mind, your emotions, your life, the power is yours to champion. Being a rare scarce commodity reigns supreme.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.