"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I got her number!!

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Well, it was an interesting day today. At the end of my work shift, I got a girls number. My first one. By myself. And it took me long enough. I had friends making threats to do it for me, which would have came off bad.

So here I am high as a kite because being the first time I done this, it was a friggin rush. It feels good and I think I got a confidence boost too.

Here is the run down.

Today I'm in the backroom at work doing something, she walks past and sees me and tells me she got a car so if I need a ride from work let her know. I tell her I was going to take advantage of that :)

I proceed to get back to work. I kept telling myself I better go through with things, to just stop thinking about doing stuff and just doing. Earlier today I had a couple prints made of a photo I took up in the mountians. Its not a typical everyday picture, its a widefield astrophoto I took of the Milkyway. I showed the photo to a few people.

Flash forword when Im off. Back in my regular cloths I bump back into the girl in the back room and we are walking along side by side and she gets closer to me, I thought she was going to kind of bump into me, so I kind of bump her first. I seen her to this to another guy so I figured why the hell not. She ask to borrow ten bucks. So I tell her I will see then leave.

I was going to comeback after a few but ended up waiting longer because she was helping customers so I went and got a couple things in the store and hung around. I was going to do this...

Finally I got a break and I approch her and asked if she has been to Georgetown then I showed her the picture and she dug it. Then I told her we should go up there one of these days, its about a 60min trip. We had a bit of small talk, and I asked her if she still needed the 10spot. She said yeah, needed gas money. Messing with her a bit I say, you bought a car with no gas? Blablabla etc.

She had customers waiting so she was kind of in a hurry. Good I thought. Time to do this. I gave her the 10spot. Then said "hey, write your number down for me" or something like that, placing the envelope with 8x12s in in front of her.

She wrote it down!!! While she was writting it down, I asked, "your boyfriend is not gonna kick my ass for calling you is he?
Her: he's not my boyfriend. He's my babies daddy
Me: is there a difference?
Her: he's the sperm doner
Me: (ouch) well, your busy so I should let you get back to work.

I walked away nervous as hell :nervous: I should have done the quick number check, reading the number wrong to see if she would correct it, but she was busy and I was wrecked.

But hey. I got a set of balls and asked for her number. Now I just hope the the number is real.

Sorry about the long post, but I think I am making progress. Earlier in the day I actualy messed around with another chick at work, just trying to get over my shyness.

Thanks for listening
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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i'm out on women with kids... but who am i to judge. good job man. hope it's the first of many
 

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Ahh, Is it weird that I miss the days where getting a girls number made you feel like you're on top of the world, and that you're unstoppable? You start to lose that rush after so many.

Anyway, good job dude! Sounds like you had a good vibe and positive rapport with her. You make danny proud. Now keep us updated.
 

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yeah man... how old is she? I want a play by play damnit.. you are going to get some ass if I have to pull you by the shirt to the damn river!

lol, you must have been nervous.. you do'nt even remember exactly what you said.. however, what you THINK you said is probably one of the best lines you could have possibly used. it's what i use more times than not, putting as little thought or effort in the number close as possible

if you make getting the number a big deal, it will be a big deal. if you just throw it out like "oh yeah, write your number down" and move onto something else like it was a second nature, she assumes it's second nature.

how old is the kid? Does she live by herself? do you live by yourself?

BTW, word of caution... baby daddies are always in the picture, not necessary in a sexual way, but they are there, so odn't let it get to you
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Dannyrt34 said:
Ahh, Is it weird that I miss the days where getting a girls number made you feel like you're on top of the world, and that you're unstoppable? You start to lose that rush after so many.

Nah man, I don't get that rush anymore either, once I realized that numbers are "wood". Guess it's part of getting more experienced and jaded.
 

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yeah man... how old is she? I want a play by play damnit.. you are going to get some ass if I have to pull you by the shirt to the damn river!

lol, you must have been nervous.. you do'nt even remember exactly what you said.. however, what you THINK you said is probably one of the best lines you could have possibly used. it's what i use more times than not, putting as little thought or effort in the number close as possible

if you make getting the number a big deal, it will be a big deal. if you just throw it out like "oh yeah, write your number down" and move onto something else like it was a second nature, she assumes it's second nature.

how old is the kid? Does she live by herself? do you live by yourself?

BTW, word of caution... baby daddies are always in the picture, not necessary in a sexual way, but they are there, so odn't let it get to you
She is about 25ish I think. Has a couple kids (3) :eek: but what ever. I think she lives with the father. So just as you said, baby daddies are always in the picture.

Things kind of escalated tonight, but in a good way :)

My friends decided to just show up to work and bug me. I know what they where doing :rolleyes: When they got there I went strait back to where she worked at said whats up. She was bringing some pies out, so I grabbed one and said I wanted a cherry pie. She heads to the back and says, you want a cherry pie? I said yup :D (find innuendo or doubles entendres in everything, I guess) When she came out I told her I would call tonight she shot back with, you said you would call last night.

I might have, I was do damn nervous that may have been what came out. But now I suspect I have caused her to miss me :)

My friend is like, she's mad at you, you shoulda called when you get her number!

I leave and walk around with my friend who was with his girlfriend/ "ho" /whatever then they take off. I still have an hour before my shift is over and I hardly have said or seen this girl at all today. I usualy say whats up or something during the evening when it is slower, but I tend not to hang around or make it a point to swing by. I do every so often, like when I leave. I see another guy often hanging around the counter with her. I just let it go.

Anyway, my shift is over and I clock out a little early and take my time getting out of the place. I walk by and wave, she don't see me, so I wait till she turns, then tell her I will call her. I end up walking up to the front with her chatting, asking her where my 10spot was (could not give a frigg less) shes like, I will get it to you Thursday.
Me: hmmm ummm kind of smirking at her
Her: Getting closer to me (already invading my personal space) says something like, "just like you said you would call me last night"
Me: Thursday. Okay I will just have to charge you interest
Me: our shoulders are touching just listening.
Her: goes on to say like I paid you back last time before I transfered stores when I borrowed that 20.
Me: I gave her a little nudge with my shoulder. She came back. "So what, you going to transfer again?"
Her: no

I head out the door

Her: Where you going?
Me: Home, got stuff to do. I will call you later.
Her: Fine then!

All this was in a playful sarcastic tone :)

So now, next up in a couple hours is the phone call. Kind of nervous about that, but gonna do it anyway :)

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BTW, I think I will just use this thread to keep a journal / update of whats going on.
 

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STOP!!!!!

do not call her


for the love of god do not call her
 

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i wanted to stress that so much I couldn't even finish my post before I had to post..


I know you are excited... and I understand. you got a hot woman wanting you. But it has to be on your terms, otherwise there is no game.

Your very first instinct (waiitng on calling) was 100% correct. you need to show her that you have other things going on in your life, and your life isn't revolved around waiting on her. It might work at first, because of the newness of the relatoinship, but we are trying to establish you a firm foundation to build any type of relationship on.

My advice for tonight would be to do something.. anything. play a video game, go exercise, pick up a book, clean the house.. do something to take your mind off her, becuase i know it's on her as we speak.

you have to show some restraint. you just have to. Show her that you have other stuff oging on...

Also the phone..what's the point of calling? What, so you can talk on the phone for 1-2 hours about nothing, then you get get off and probably jack off thinking about her

the phone is to be used to setup dates. women talk on the phone to each other. A woman isn't going to led you on the path to pvssy, you have to devert every arraow she throws at you. She is going to try to treat you as a friend, and you have to show her otherwise.. you going home and talking on the phone for 2 hours and getting off, only to do the same thing day in an day out is HWY-Friendzone my friend.

if you do call, it has to be with purpose. when I call a woman, they know it's for a reason. Either I want to hook up, go out, or regardless, something of importance. I don't sit and spew on the phone.

Now, you are going to have more leeway than most guys becuase she has 3 kids, and just being frank, she doesn't have many options (guys that will put up with 3 kids) so you can probably do somethings and get away with it, for this simple fact (which is why AFC's tend to like single mommies).

when you see her, setup a DATE.. not a phone convo.. An Actual DATE. anything else is unaccectable and if she isn't willing to do this, you need to throw away her number. you dont need another friend.

When I meet a girl (that I like), my goal is to get her number

once I get her number, i use the number to setup the first date

Once on the date, i use this date to guage exactly who I am playing with, and if she meets my criteria, my second goal for the date is to establish sexual tension

My second date I always try to have sex. I might not succeed, but I try

if I haven't done anything by the third date, she's out

follow thoose rules and thoose guiildelins and it cuts through alot of the bull****. there have been many a times I coudln't even get though the first date without her making some STRONG suggesttion that we should hit the sack that night... lol, I had one girl tell me after ordering a drink "you know, these would taste better in your bed" and gave me a little wink and a smirk, then put her hand on my knee... I didn't even ask for the check, i just left more money on the table than I knew the bill would be and made a beeline back to my place. this wasn't that long ago, maybe 5 months(?)..kinda miss kicking with her.. she is one of the few women I made the single mommie execption for, but after the sexual experience I had with her.... which wasn't bad but showed me why I don't need to be fvcking around with her, I had to cut it off.


anyway back to you. Recap

1) don't call tonight

2) set up date

that's your homework assignment
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I don't mind a girl with kids but I would not consider a relationship(even a ****buddy)unless she shows me something special..

Alot of them are just nice girls who fell for the "i love you" okey-doke..
 

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I personally could not do it. I don't want kids right now, let alone someone elses. I can never say never however, but there are just toooooooooo many options out there to settle.

keep in mind.. this woman has 3 kids. The aforementioned woman I was talking about let it be known she had 4 abortions... FOUR. I damn near chocked on my drink when she told me that. she told me that the guy was a druggie and she didn't want to have a kid by him, blah blah and he made her not use protection, you know, the normal ****..

but we get in the bed and she tells me to take off my condom because she wants to "feel me" inside her, and then on the first time, asks me do I want to stick it in the brown ..... now I'm up for it, but still... I doubt the story she told me had little substance to it, she's a ***** who doesn't know how to use a condom
 

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^Nah that's too much.A lady like that? hell no just sex..

What i'm saying is there's some pretty decent women with kids out there,it's actually makes them more attractive to me.

I know they are more consistant and stable and more sexual obviously..

I'm man enough to do it but I agree i'm too young and there's too many childless women out here for that mess...

And I think he should wait no more than 2 days to call her but since he sees her alot he should tell her why he didn't call her if he decides against it,or she's gonna get mad..
 

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i know it's too much.. that's why I stopped talking to her

yeah, don't kill the waiting to call.. but don't call her on the way home either after you got the number. it's a fine line.
 

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Well, I did call her. And no, I did not spend 1-2 hours talking to her. I spent maybe 4 seconds because her voicemail picked up, I figured it would because she was probably still at work.

So I left a short message, busting on her for not picking up
"Hey, whats up with this, you don't pick up the phone when I call you? This is slitherjef. Guess I will try and call you again later..."

Then hung up
Probably made a mistake with that last line.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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When you call her, say what I said to a chick one time when I called her. Keep in mind, she may already have plans or say she does even if she doesn't like in my example. It was a Friday night when I called and about 5 PM.

Her: *she picks up....hello
Me: Hey, (her name), it's ryannath...can you meet me somewhere?
Her: I was gonna head to the gym at 6
Me: You could meet me after you got done working out then
Her: After I get done working out, I will call you and let you know if I can come out
Me: No, it's okay...you don't have to call me if you really don't want to
Her: Oh, no I will call you

She did end up calling back though and we agreed to meet. Something happened that really pissed me off though, but was a blessing in disguise that TOTALLY raised her interest level in me, was my truck wouldn't start when I was suppossed to go meet her, so I called her to let her know why I couldn't make it, and I even let her hear my engine to show her it wouldn't start. She was let down I could tell. She then got online the next day and asked me, "so, you get your truck fixed?" So i knew she was WAY interested then. She then would call me regularly and try to get together because in the back of her mind, she kinda thought I stood her up, but I didn't.

What I am saying is don't act like she is the most important thing in your life.
 

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Well, you already called. ****. Now the ball is in her court. She got your message. So, if she doesn't say she is sorry for missing your call or doesn't meantion it, just be indifferent with her like it doesn't matter to you.
 

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yeah...you kinda blew the leverage... man you gotta learn this crap if you want to get laid. Every action has a reaction, everything you do has to be thought out until it's second nature.

Now by you calling, and leaving a message, what possible good can come out of the situtation? You have built up no sense of mystery about yourself in her eyes, and you LEFT A MESSAGE..

will people just listen...

alright... it is what it is. whatever you do, don't call her again. Ever. Until she calls you. now it has to be tic for tat. she knows you want to talk to her, so the ball is literalry in her court (that's what we ment).. if she doesn't take the time to call you back, don't waster your time calling her.

When you go to work, be as indifferent as you can possibly be. Focus on your work like you have never focused before. don't make subtle attempts to get her attention. THE BALL IS IN HER COURT. you have shown your interest, she has to now do the same

PS- you would have been better off not calling BTW, you would be getting ass by this time next week, but NOOOOO
 

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the whole point of the phone is it doesn't matter how long you stay on it, if you are not calling to setup a date, you shouldn't be calling.
 

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^ I agree that's the only reason you should call them. Lots of guys think they should call daily "just to talk", but the chicks I know don't really give a fvck about that talking shhitt is the impression I get. Basicly, they just want the cvck and not the girly man that likes to talk.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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