"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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i found a 22 year old virgin

warpy

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a couple of months back i hit on a HB8, on the first date she told me she had been with 2 guys, she invited me over last night, her parents were out of the house.

recap, on the first date i brought her home and i noticed she wasnt using her hands to put counter moves, i thought it was just a way to say "this is a first date, dont try to much".

so we are at her place last night and again the girl is not using her hands, so i show her the way, but it seems like something is wrong. after a while when i see she is not going anywhere, i ask her whats wrong.. she tells me i wouldnt believe her.. i realy had no idea, i thought she was a little bit experienced, it appears that this girl is not experienced at all, nor did she have sex before and like in the movies she hinted that she will only do it when she feels comfortable, but since she invited me over on her behalf it seemed that she wants to get it over with.

what i am asking is this, is it worth the time to be with someone inexperienced, is it worth the "responsibility" of being a girl's first. teaching her the ropes.. this girls doesnt even know how to give a HJ/BJ etc..

cheers.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I'd find out why she held out for so long (Religion? Bad experience? Fear?) Knowing this will help you know how to procede.

Virgins also have a terrible habit of falling deeply in love with the man who "makes them a woman". They can get very clingy, and drive you right up the wall. She is obviously old enough to make the decision, just make sure you use protection. Babies are NOT fun!
 

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yeah i guess i have to find out the reasons for holding on so long, in my experience they also remember their first time as their worse time ever, protection and pills .. double protection lol.
 
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warpy said:
is it worth the "responsibility" of being a girl's first. teaching her the ropes.. \

cheers.
F*ckin A it is! As much annoyance as a virgin is, there are some bonus points! If you hit a virgin the right way she can be GREAT STUFF! And plus, you're doing the right moral thing.

I envy you. Take your best shot!
 

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You wish you found a 22 year old virgin.

It amazes me how quick guys are to believe these lies. Don't kid yourself.

Her reason for holding out is that you're not being dominant or strong enough - stop being weak and start ordering her about in the bedroom.

Women don't want to open their legs to pansy's.

Dominate her.

The Muscly Jerk
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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The is no way a hot girl at the age of 22 has no sexual experience, she'd be getting offers left right and centre just going to shops. She's either lied about her age, lived in a cave all her life, pretending so she doesn't seem like a slut or she is only a hb8 in your opinion, to every one else she could be a hb2, or she could of been a hb2 and raised her self to a hb8 only recently.
 

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Hmm, seems kinda fishy. She tells you she's dated 2 guys and nothing came out of it? Come on! It's a 50/50 that she's a virgin but just because she said it doesn't mean you start buying an engagement ring for her to prove that you're not going to take advantage. If you're not a virgin and have "been there done that" you can usually tell. If she is a virgin, Congrats! There's nothing like someone who is free of ex-boyfriend baggage. I know too many guys who are tired of hearing their ho-wives/girlfriends talk about their "This one time my ex did this and that and this and that."

1. Be persistent but respectful
2. Be your perverted manly self
 

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hitman, she admitted to making that up, she think guys deter from virgins. well i know i do, atleast a little bit.

let me straighten the whole scenario a bit, she said she had 2 guys, last night admitted it wasnt the case and that she is a virgin, the lack of experience shows on her body language she has no moves what so ever. she did not resist at all to my moves, her sister was at the house so there was no room for sex, literaly.. she lives with her sister.

and i know plenty (religious) of girls that are virgins.. anyways thats not the case she is not religious and its not that i am asking if she is lying or not, i can get sex from other girls anytime, i am asking if its realy worth it for me to start something with her, hopefully the answers i get will be based on experience and not speculations.
 

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Well man, since you've asked for experience, I am here to offer mine :)

I have had probably 5 virgins....some were religious, some not. The oldest was 18 when I took her virginity (17 when I met her, right before her b-day).

I have since met a 19-year-old virgin, but just because that is the oldest virgin I have found obviously doesn't mean there can't be OLDER virgins. I think you've got a 50-50 chance this girl is a virgin, like another poster said, but I also think it's somewhat UNIMPORTANT....

The IMPORTANT question is, is this a girl you think you want to f*ck, virgin or no?

If yes, GO FOR IT. Dealing with a virgin, no matter her age, is a learning experience and can be very good sexually as well as personally. That has been my experience. Out of my 5 virgins (maybe 6?) I can't remember any one of them going "badly".

My hunch is you will find out pretty quick if she IS or IS NOT a virgin. Some women are just extremely tight, but there is a certain tightness that is not "natural" and is exclusive to virgins....not to mention the whole hymen thing.

If she IS, just lead her through it....don't push. DO use protection...DO go slow....warm her up for a few hours beforehand (if you've never done a virgin before, apologies if you already know this).....give her lots of oral sex and finger her plenty beforehand, loosen her up as much as possible. Do use towels in case she bleeds.

This one virgin I was with I could barely even get a finger all the way in initially....it took hours. Be prepared for that :)

Above all good luck and go slow. There's no rush. Have other girls on the side. Try to leave her better than you found her.

And report back to let us know how it goes :)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I had an ugly one aged 28. What was she going to do, if I didn't help her?

I suppose some might question her bona fides (is this a bad pun) but not many are good enough to put on a complete act without slipping up. I know their habits. I generally agree with 30plus, however I don't think they deserve any special privileges.
 
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