I feel like such an f'ing AFC... Need some (pro)tips..

[SandHawk]

I went out with a bunch of people this evening and ended up in a club. I opened the night pretty good and hooked up with a girl I opened with "Hey, how are you tonight?" and she didn't remember me. I kissed her on the cheek and it went pretty smooth. Until we entered the club and I tried dancing with her, where she kept me at a distance and at some point some dude barged in and took over and made out with her. Partially I think it was because I was 8 years older than her, and she felt uncomfortable around me because of the age gap. But still a FAIL.

After that, things went downhill in my opinion. I opened a few girls with an opener from the field experiment thread and used the 'Hey, I got this shirt from my mom, do you like it?' opener. I was wearing quite a nice shirt, so many girls actually liked my f'ing shirt. BUT, I get stuck after that. I have no idea how to proceed, and this is where I've been running into the wall for AGES. I even failed to fvcking open a girl that said I was a good dancer.

Could anyone provide some good tips on how to proceed AFTER opening? 'Just talk' doesn't really work for me, and I'm starting to feel like such a loser now...

 

[Bible_Belt]

'Just talk' doesn't really work for me


Try taking more notice of the girl. Look at her hair, purse, makeup, shoes, dress, whatever - and then base what you say off of what you see. I like picking on the girls who wear very high heels. Tell them that you like their shoes and you can tell that they are out to have a good time. The higher the heel, the more she craves attention (don't say that, though). Hooker boots are like a big sign that says 'fvck me!'

 

[Accension]

Could anyone provide some good tips on how to proceed AFTER opening?

This is all your thread needed.
All that stuff about your bad night was unecessary as even explaining the situation wouldn't fill in the 80% of conversation (the part we need) to make an acurate assessment.

After opening.
Jesus, opening is the hardest part.
After opeining all you do is proceed to get to know her.

This isn't hard man, follow the ordinary social escalation ladder that everyone should have hardwired from just living.

Hey this is my friend X. (Regular opener, doesn't differentiate much from opening yourself except the average guy needs someone else to do it for them)

*Girl acknowledges X however small* (If you ever have someone COMPLETELY ignore you, oh man you messed up opening to the extent of a surgeon forgetting to close the wound..)

Next, and this is answering your question despite the ironic word-paster before hand.

Make some glorious small talk (again this is the regular social escaltion that normal people do having no seduction knowledge here)
I.E, How's your night going, yeah and what's your name, are you any good at dancing, your dress looks awesome, what're you drinking, you look excited/tired.

Now let's assume we said what're you drinking, now we branch from that small subject.

Girl: Vodka. (If you did a shi9 job so far she'll probably give you cra?py one word answers or brief, this is still workable however).

Now it's time to expand this conversatiion from literal threads to lateral threads; or this won't go anyway even if you do keep it going.

You: Vodka? Yeah, I can't stand the stuff no matter how mixed it is, it always taste like metho to me. How can you drink that stuff, I admire your ghetto drinking skills.

She can't possible keep answering literally unless she's a complete bitc> (in which case she'd probably say 'Ok..' which would be the equivalent of you pooring semen into your car instead of gasaline)

Keep using the LATERAL technique which I can happlily say, is of my own concept rather than LITERAL which fails.

Recap:

Literal: How are you?; Ok (you boring fc> get the hell away).
Lateral: My night's been craaazzzyyy, what about you, don't tell me you've just been sitting there all night hoping someone would talk to you.

Literal normally gets a definate one word reply in a awkward it's-socially-expected to say hello when someone says hello to me kind of way.

Lateral normally gets AWESOME response and is the essence of any smooth reactions. This is the lubricant. This is success.

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One final note.
If she doesn't reply laterally to you, you were probably too dam literal!

Edit: Holy ****. I just articulated how I became so dam awesome at this. Before I could never put my finger on this. I so need to write a thread when I'm not drunk.
Shi> I just gave you the best advice, I hope this makes sense because I pretty much pin-pointed how to be awesome at this and in text from.

 

[SandHawk]

Hmm, I think I see a pretty good point there.

I actually had a very good weekend out. I opened a few good sets and later on in the evening, I had some hot chick(an 8) open ME and we hit it on. Since she opened me, I was way more relaxed and just had a very smooth conversation. Yea, we didn't make out, but she basically told me to note down her number so we could go party a bit later this week and later that night she texted me "Fun ".

I think you just pointed out my main problem with conversations: It's too much forced literal I-should-be-social conversation stuff that I specifically don't want to put into such a conversation. I don't have this sort of problems when I approach in a coffeeshop, or somewhere else. Those locations actually allow a bit more relaxed social stuff to go, but in a club/bar being literal is just boring(which is exactly what people do not want).

Anyway, this is a skillset I need to work on a bit. It's a good next step to work on for me .