"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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I don't see why American guys like international chicks

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They seem really high-maintenance to me. In the past year I've dated....

an australian
a brazilian
a south african (white)
a french girl
a half chinese/half mexican
a philippino chick

and just cancelled a first date with a russian...

.. these in addition to the standard white anglo-saxon american chicks I normally date here in California. All the above, with the exception of the phillippino, were born and raised outside the US.

EDIT: The Australian was visiting the US, the S. African had been here 2 years, the Brazilian had been here 4 years, French girl 4 years, Chinese/Mexican about 10... all were in their early to mid 30s. /EDIT

The australian and the south african were low-maintenance and fun and relatively easy. All the other chicks seemed very "traditional" to a large degree. The brazilian was super fun but terrible in bed. The last three girls never got to a second date because it became clear that they expected me to do all the asking out, all the paying, all the driving, and everything else too. The Russian chick I posted about in another thread wouldn't even walk with me 6 blocks but wanted me to hire a cab, so I canceled our first date.

WTF, all the foreign girls I've dealt with were sweet and nice and all, but I don't see what's so great about them. They all (except for the australian and s. african) seemed to expect traditional gender roles, which I despise. And they weren't even easy. I don't get why all the dudes here seem to denigrate American women and put these broads on a pedestal. They're living in 1963, IMHO. American chicks might not have the sweetness or style of foreign chicks, but they seem much more willing to pay half the bill, hop into bed, and go the f&ck home afterward, all of which are what's most important to me.

A chick can be super sweet and accommodating, but if she's not putting out, or if she expects me to pay for everything and do everything for her, I don't see what the point is.

Somebody plz explain the fascination that American guys have with non-American chicks.
 
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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You have done lots of traveling! Wow. Awesome...uh...wait...you are dating Anglos who come from those countries. Sorry. Doesn't count. You must use that passport. I can't just move to Toronto and meet one of the many East European girls and pretend she is the real deal. Doesn't work that way. They don't look, act, or live the same. They are worse than the regular locals. They are pure Anglos once they step foot for an extended time in America. Even a Mexican American is 100% different than a real Mexican.

Since when did California have that kind of diversity? Mostly just Mexican types, Central Americans, and some Orientals. A Russian? A French? A Brazilian? That sounds more like Toronto than California.
 

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Bigjimbo maybe the op was sayin in his life. Maybe it come down to the grass being greener on the other side? Brazilian bad in been? Damn i wanted one too.
pairplusroyalflush-their are hors in other coutries as well? they arent saints just cuase they arent american. Look up the word "horned", they wouldnt have the word if all women outta america we decent.
to the op-keep in mind like bigjim said if they lived in america or had the financial influence to come to america maybe the are just the rich and spoiled example of their countries? Go to the ****ry and date one and report back.
 

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American guys hate American girls when they can't get them.
 

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I bagged a Peruvian girl and I'm happy. She's been in the USA for a couple years.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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FairShake said:
American guys hate American girls when they can't get them.
Guys hate girls when they can't get them, regardless of nationality. If a girl says she's not looking for someone, it means she's not interested in a guy. If a guy says he's not looking for someone, most of the time it means he can't get a girl. Enter the scheming internet dating sites.
 

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The grass is greener? :)
Look, I've lived in a lot of places, including the US currently and let me tell you every country has the whole spectrum of girls, some are hot, some are ugly, some are *****es, some are cool. Don't blame it on where they're from for not meeting your expectations.
 

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BigJimbo said:
You have done lots of traveling! Wow. Awesome...uh...wait...you are dating Anglos who come from those countries. Sorry. Doesn't count. You must use that passport. I can't just move to Toronto and meet one of the many East European girls and pretend she is the real deal. Doesn't work that way. They don't look, act, or live the same. They are worse than the regular locals. They are pure Anglos once they step foot for an extended time in America. Even a Mexican American is 100% different than a real Mexican.

Since when did California have that kind of diversity? Mostly just Mexican types, Central Americans, and some Orientals. A Russian? A French? A Brazilian? That sounds more like Toronto than California.
Unfortunately, for a lot of you, BigJimbo is right, and I'm basing this on what I've witnessed from personal experience.

I've been to South America and Central America and I can tell you first hand, there was a HUGE difference between the women there and there "Hispanic-American" counterparts.

And of course, I've lived in Puerto Rico and there was by FAR a big difference between the Puerto Ricans living (born and raised) on the island than those from (born and raised) in New York, New Jersey, Chicago, etc...

The outer shell may be one thing, but the inner shell is a mish-mash of the worst of their "real culture" combined with the Anglo-Saxon women. It's pretty much like having the worst of both worlds. I won't say this applies to all of them, but in the past 2 years, I could tell you there was a huge gap between the "latina" women I've dated that were naturalized in the USA than those I met from their original countries.


I've also found that those who moved to the USA would EVENTUALLY rotten themselves. The longer they lived here, the "whiter" they became.

It's funny and unintentional, Zarky, but it seems like the ones you described as having been here the longest, were the not the funnest experiences for you.


Good god... I'm sounding like BigJimbo. Is that good or bad?
 

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I'll tell you what it is Zarky: most girls outside of the anglo-saxon Feminazi world act like LADIES. They have a sweetness to them, they don't always try to prove they are just like the men, they have a certain feminine side to them that I find very enjoyable.

That doesn't mean they're not horny, that doesn't mean they won't fvck you just as easily as american girls (case in point: the last brazilian chick I hooked up with was a one and done deal, all happening in the same day).

You are right though that they are way more prone to let the man lead them instead of trying to assert themselves all the time like US girls do. What's wrong with that? you afraid to lead a woman now?
 

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drak_ool said:
I'll tell you what it is Zarky: most girls outside of the anglo-saxon Feminazi world act like LADIES. [...] instead of trying to assert themselves all the time like US girls do. What's wrong with that? you afraid to lead a woman now?
Well I'm not really interested in "leading" anyone, be it woman or man. Too much work. I like to sit back and relax. I'm lazy that way.

American women allow me to be my lazy self: they (mostly) pay their share, make half the decisions, and are assertive in bed. Two of my MLTRs do all the driving when we go anywhere. Why would I want to drive when someone else will do it?

So I guess I'm different from the traditional guys here who like traditional "ladies" from abroad and want to "lead" and "shepherd" them around. Got no interest in that. I have more of a pimp mentality--pimps let the women do the work.

Kind of reminds me of the differences between James Woods' and Robert DeNiro's characters in Casino. DeNiro was the guy who spent a ton of money on the girl and married her, while she was out spending money on Woods and screwing him. One line DeNiro says to him is something like, "Don't be a pimp, be a man."

No thanks :D

EDIT: though now that I think about it, are you really "leading" a woman when you're making all the decisions, doing all the work, doing all the driving, all the paying, doing all the traditionally male stereotyped activities? I'd say that in fact the woman is leading you. You're the horse, she's the rider.
 
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I like them because they're not obese and don't act like princesses.
 

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Bluntmaster said:
I bagged a Peruvian girl and I'm happy. She's been in the USA for a couple years.
(raises his hand) me too me too. It's was an unforgettable experience. :up: Hardly recommended.
 
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Dude, people are naturally attracted to women of their own ethnic group. You're a Californian, and you like California girls the most.

I'm half Armenian, and I tend to gravitate towards Armenian beauties. Although on the other hand I'm half Russian and also tend to go crazy over beautiful Russian girls. . . . .That said, Russian beauties don't tend to leave the country. Hoes that do leave tend to be high maintenance cuz everything was provided to them. I bet they also are horrible cooks. I wouldn't call those girls Russians, more like westernalized and femenized Russians; and that's no Russian!


What I noticed is that women other than from United States tend to have higher IQs, minus good country girls. If that anything has to do with this.
 

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Great post. I have slept with women from 15 different countries and I must say that we have now entered a transition period. 20 years ago, American women were considered money grabbing prostitutes and generally terrible in bed. on the other hand, foreign women were more traditional, served their men and generally nicer in bed

These days with third world nations becoming developed nations, women from third world countries are materialistic BUT have not shed their stupid romantic ideas. They expect to be taken to expensive restaurants yet wont put out. Also European women have not shed their view of the world as a Shakespeare play. On the other hand American girls know the rules of the game and are generally OK in bed. Another factor is that American guys are not chivalrous so American girls don't expect too much. I dated a French girl for 2 months and had to end it because I couldn't stand her romantic demands, constant hold handing, requests for romantic walks in the park, cuddling in bed etc. I just don't have time for all that
 

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I think it's simple. People love them for the same things that you don't like about them:

Zarky said:
WTF, all the foreign girls I've dealt with were sweet and nice and all, but I don't see what's so great about them. They all (except for the australian and s. african) seemed to expect traditional gender roles, which I despise.

American chicks might not have the sweetness or style of foreign chicks, but they seem much more willing to pay half the bill, hop into bed, and go the f&ck home afterward, all of which are what's most important to me.

A chick can be super sweet and accommodating, but if she's not putting out...I don't see what the point is.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Zarky maybe those people are open minded and are not like the other Americans who think they are better than the rest of the world just because they have material wealth. When you even look at it America is pretty much a country made up of all the other countries and run by the white man.
Another thing you should think about...do you ever wonder why the divorce rate here is high? Because people are extremely selfish and just wanna use the other person. Why does the affair happen in the first place? Why is it so unforgiveable in the 2nd place? That said the thing I don't like about foreign girls is that strict traditional mentality that the guy has to make it happen and they just have to attend (that includes not footing half the bill)
 
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