"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I don't know how I should feel right now, you be the judge

pvf94

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There is a girl I have been seeing for over 3 month's, basically friends with benefits no sex but kissing/making out and the affection was there the whole time. After a while of that she was sitting on my couch one night and said "I dont know if I love you or not...." she then proceeded to say "I dont know what I would do without you and she started crying" She said "you love me dont you" and I said it sucks to not have it returned...she said "I love you" I leaned into her ear and whispered the same thing.

Later on in that evening she calls me before she goes to bed...as usual. Then say's "I am confused with my feelings for you, I love you to death as a friend but I don't know if I do relationship wise....I'm pretty sure I do....I'm just afraid to let you in.......no im positive....I do" I said that I wasnt insecure with my feelings and told her I loved her and when she went to hangup for the night she said "I love you". And from there she will say it here and there and every night before I go to bed.

Basically we were a couple months ago by the way she acts....just without the label...and I was taught on here to not be the one to ask for exclusiveness. So I didn't, and last night she finally did.

So now we are finally boyfriend/girlfriend im 20 she's 18.

But today she is out with another guy that she has madeout/kissed with a few months ago. She say's she thinks of him as a brother and that the last time he tried to kiss her she just did a cheek kiss...and that was month's ago as well. I know this because I asked last night...she asked me to become exclusive not even an hour after I discussed it with her. She said she will just be hanging out with him, he has a kid and he is 24! 6 years difference.

Now personally, I know what he is aiming to do....she may be telling the truth but I dont know if I should trust her or not....its just feels funny to me.

She called me and told me she would be hanging with him today.
Called again before going to hang with him just to chit chat.
Then called me when he had left to go get a pizza....she said she missed me and that it felt wrong being there watching movies with him and that she wanted to be out with me instead. Then he comes home and she says "I gotta go love you bye"

She called back shortly after to say sorry for hanging up so fast "I just didnt want him to see me on the phone".

Its like wtf are you trying to hide me?

I dunno....its tipsy topsy to me, I don't like it but I also don't want to feel like a control freak.

So she says she loves me.
Says she misses me constantly.
Whenever we aren't around each other she calls the second she has free time.
Says she cant wait to see me tomm....


I dunno maybe im just insecure...but I have good reason to be right? Even if she is saying she views him as just a brother figure....the fact remains that they made out and kissed a few months ago! his aim is clear....

Should I worry?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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DevanE

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Holy fuking sh*t-bag of di*ks man!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you...? Seriously what the fuk is wrong with your head. You posted a damn thread about this stupid trick 3 months ago, got advice and STILL haven't banged her yet...?? This is a very dangerous woman. She is ALL about CONTROL and she WILL dominate you one way or another. And by a women dominating a man means that she WILL eventually break you down and strip off your sanity. Women like this have a personality flaw which isn't apparent it first because they kind of go under your radar but eventually their true colors show. Her behavior isn't consistent with what she is saying or is feeling and you are playing into her game like a little bit** that you are.

WAKE up, look around you, see what is going on!!!!!!. You are being led-astray to the slaughter house where you will get chopped up into a million pieces and thrown out like yesterday's trash. Why are you denying the truth...? Why don't you want to face the facts...? YOU ARE BEING PLAYED!!!!! How can you be "bf/gf" or whatever you 2 are and have not fuked each other...? You HAVE to assert yourself, man up, establish some sense of PERSONAL BOUNDARY to make her realize that their is a limit to how much you will tolerate. She is manipulating, controlling and most of all DISRESPECTING you to the max. You need to either fuk this girl or she will continue to take out her frustrations on you. You keep self-sabotaging and lying to yourself thinking you don't care but you know the truth. Wake up THE MATRIX HAS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! :cuss:
 

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f u c k her, or move aside so someone else can f u c k her. or in your young gentle case....make love to your woman. she's been waiting and shes obviously tired of waiting to see if you are gonna man up. So shes shopping for your replacement while still keeping you around in case it doesnt work out. either hit it or quit it. for real. dont be a fool for love.
 

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If you guys are "exclusive" and saying "I love yous" (Pifff) then why is she hanging out with another guys she has sexual chemistry with? He's 24? He's mature enough to know what he's doing. You can't be this stupid.
 

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LOL, she hung up so fast because she needed both hands to work the full length of his c0ck while the rest of it snakes its way past her tonsils down into her esophagus nearly entering her stomach where it will come into contact with the remainder of the white gooey pay load myself, KarmaSutra and ketostix already dropped in her 30 minutes before she went to see this loser.

Seriously dude this one is not relationship material.

For Christ's sakes man you've been here two fvckin years you should know this already!!

What you do from here is you don't get mad, you instead let her hang out with all her "guy friends" that she wants without protest and just tell her what she wants to hear with all that "I love you garbage" and in doing so you then get what you can from her.

You know...the days she comes to "hang out with you" while her other boyfriend thinks you are "just a friend" and makes his own post on Sosuave asking what we think of the situation lol.

Use her for everything that she is worth basically, making out, sex or whatever but under no circumstances, under pain of death do you actually and truly give this b!tch your heart.

Get that idea out of your mind right now.

Also take back some fvckin control from this cvnt.

Pull away from her a bit and then if she asks why play on her emotions and say if a girl really loves me she would make love to me.

Then she'll respond with some b.s to make you think sex shouldn't be important or she really does love you and it'll happen soon yadda yadda yadda.

You've got to shut that bullsh!t down once she starts in with a b.s reply like that and set a time and a date for when this is happening or you are going to persue this other girl that wants you.

Even if you have no such girl warming up in the bull pen for you she doesn't know that so use a lie to your advantage.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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DonGorgon

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Women cry like this when they are hoing and are having a massive emotional storm.. they love it.... 3 dudes 4, 5, however many... she is not confused she is stimulated by it all and you need to take advantage .. F her fast then ignore her... tell her she aint good enough for you then you will be in control.
 

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I stepped it up a little bit this time...still havent fvcked her but shes lettin me slip my fingers inside her and suck on her boobs. And she is playing with my d!ck alot more now, actually kept pulling my shorts/boxers off a few times and she let me slap her on the ass with my b0ner. I'll be hitting it very soon. =P
 

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pvf94 said:
I stepped it up a little bit this time...still havent fvcked her but shes lettin me slip my fingers inside her and suck on her boobs. And she is playing with my d!ck alot more now, actually kept pulling my shorts/boxers off a few times and she let me slap her on the ass with my b0ner. I'll be hitting it very soon. =P
Yeah, maybe you should just wait till the other guy teaches her how to fukk better. Or maybe you should ask him what turns her on. Hell, you should buy him a beer for getting her nice and lubed up for ya.

I should go easy. I've done some chumpy shyt in the past. Not THAT bad though!
 

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gag... this post is painful
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I'm glad you posted your age, because if you were younger, in high school, or whatever, you would not be getting proper flogging you deserve to get at 20.

Two immediate red flags, one you are aware.

If you're supposedly bf/gf, wtf is she doing hanging out with this dude all the time? And worse yet, hiding YOU from HIM? And not the other way around? Unacceptable.

The other red flag, that isn't registering with you as much as it is with everyone else, is you need to be hitting it. Not just as a payoff, but as evidence to her that there is no misunderstanding about your relationship. No one waits 3 months for sex anymore. If I really think they are worth something, I give them about 3 dates, all women know by then (if not in the first 5 minutes).

It basically sounds like you're an oribiter, brother. The guy waiting in the wings, hoping if he hangs around some more, he will get some play. Meanwhile, the orbiters are losing to guys with stronger game while you sit by the table like a starved puppy, hoping that fate will throw you a bone by having some random scrap fall from the table so you can gobble it up.

Change this now. Assert yourself. And stop being used.

Want to know how? Start by getting sex from this girl. The next time you're with her, be aggressive, and if she doesn't respond, say "Look, you know how I feel, it's time to step it up, or I am moving on."

It's time for a Hail Mary. It's going to take an aggressive play for you to turn this around, or at the very least, to stop you from having to check your junk at the door on your way out, after all you've invested in this.

Whatever you decide, stop being played.

As it stands right now, you are textbook AFC. (re-read this last line about 30 times)
 

DJDamage

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My spidey sense is tingling when I hear a woman using her sexuality to manipulate.

Trust me when I tell you this:

This girl does not love you. She is branch swinging around from guy to guy so she can have her cake and eat it too.

You are just another guy to her she is using for her benefit and reeling him around with false hopes. Her crying act was a masterpiece designed to make you believe her sh1t because women know that when they cry they get away with sh1t. By accepting this bad behaviour of her seeing another guy while she tells you that she loves you and you two are exclusive, she ensures that you will not be fvcking around but it doesn't mean she can't.

It is just a matter of time before this one will drop a bomb on you saying "ohhh pvf94 the guy I was seeing,..... well <sniff><sniff>... I fell in love with him <crocodile tears>... I hope we can still be friends....."

Kick her ass to the curb or she will.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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