"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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"I don't give out my number to strangers"

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Hey guys,

A problem I've had when approaching girls every now and then is that after talking to them and building rapport, etc....I do a number close except they say "Um...sorry I don't like giving my numbers out to strangers" or "I'm not comfortable with giving my info out to someone I don't know too well". I always figured it was a nice way of rejecting someone or maybe it's some sort of test. Or it's just that they're not interested and I usually "NEXT" the girl. But in case it's some sort of test or something of that nature, what's a good response to something like this?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Just say: "It's ok, I will only call and text you about 200 times a day on average."
 

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HERE IS THE THING

Can you come up with a clever response? Yes

but you aren't selling a car. if she isn't sold by the time you ask for your number. if she doesn't say anything but a resounding "here".. she isn't interested.
that should be your way of weeding women out.
 

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One thing to add, though. If a gal says she never gives out her number before you even suggest it, go ahead and get it anyway. I've found it surprisingly often to be a sort of womanese/shit test way of her suggesting it to you ... especially if her actions show interest.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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^ Bonhomme speaks truth. How many times has a woman said one thing and then goes and does the complete opposite? I swear to god woman only speak about %10 truth. The rest is complete BS.
 

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ChocolateVanilla said:
Hey guys,

A problem I've had when approaching girls every now and then is that after talking to them and building rapport, etc....I do a number close except they say "Um...sorry I don't like giving my numbers out to strangers" or "I'm not comfortable with giving my info out to someone I don't know too well". I always figured it was a nice way of rejecting someone or maybe it's some sort of test. Or it's just that they're not interested and I usually "NEXT" the girl. But in case it's some sort of test or something of that nature, what's a good response to something like this?
Why do you keep posting in the wrong forum? This is to give tips not request them.

Didn't we already cover this topic already? You're obviously not building enough rapport for the girl to want to give you her number. How long are you talking to these women before you ask for a number? It will take you at least 30 minutes most of the time before you have enough rapport to go for a number close.

If you think the girl is on the fence about giving you her number (maybe she has a boyfriend, or whatever) do Style's business card number close. Take out a business card, write your number on the back, rip it in half and give her the other half and the pen. Then exchange numbers. I never get a fake number when I do this.
 

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Moved to discussion.

To OP:

A girl telling you that is either

A) a **** test

B) not interested

Your job is to decypher through body language, voice, and the level of her attention towards you, her level of interest.
 

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It's a sh1t test. Most women give numbers left and right, because it's attention they need. Then secure women would sh1t test you like that. I don't go for numbers, e-mail first, then number. I'll just copy paste this man, he wrote it perfectly.


Getting Phone Numbers And Email Addresses
I've personally stopped focusing on just getting phone numbers.
I've found that email addresses are far better.
Let me explain.
I perfected the art of getting phone numbers a couple of years ago.
If a woman is single, I can walk up to her and get her number in about
a minute. I found out later, after working like a mad scientist on this
that numbers don’t equal success.
You see, women have many different reasons for giving out their
phone numbers. Some love the attention of having a lot of men call
them. Some like to turn guys down. Some are actually interested. But
the universal feedback that I get from men, and in my personal
experience, women act different on the phone than they do in person.
When you call a woman for the first time, they'll often start acting
stand offish or even worse, just plain rude.
I've found that getting an email address is not only easier, but it
gets more positive responses later on.
It's almost like women appreciate it that you've taken the time to
think about what you're going to say when you write an email to them.
The other benefit of email is that it can be written and answered
anytime.
If you call, you have to actually reach them.

But an email can be answered anytime.
And I've found that emails are answered far more often than
voicemail messages.
Here's the how to:
After I’ve talked to a woman for about 3 or 4 minutes, I’ll often say
something like “Well, it was nice meeting you. I’m going to get back to
my friends.” They usually don’t know what to do, as they’re used to
guys clinging. Then, just as I’m turning to walk away… and we kind of
disconnect… I turn back and say “Do you have email?”
If they say yes, I take out a pen and paper and have them write it
down. (This is great, as I just treat the ‘yes’ that they give me as a
yes to get it from them as well. And they’ve ALL gone along with it so
far) Then I say “Write your number down there too.” I won’t go into all
of it, but this move is a powerhouse. When you ask for email, it’s very
low risk for them… so they think “Fine, I’ll do that”… and then when
they’re already writing, I get the phone number too… which is more
natural.
If they say no, then I bust on them and say “Well, do you have
electricity?” Then I say “Well, OK then… I like email better, but I’ll take
your regular phone number… it’s so damn hard to reach people on the
phone these days.”
I hope you get what just happened… OK, then, as they’re writing I
say “Is this a number that you actually answer?” If not, then I say
“Look, write your real number down… it’s going to be OK, I’ll only call
you nine times a day.” They laugh, and give me their real number.
Just realize that all you have to do is ask.
Like I said, I've tried all kinds of things. Many guys say "But what
do I tell her as a reason why I want her number or email?" I've never
had a woman ask me. If you ask, and they give it, then she knows
why you asked. If she doesn't give it to you, then she also knew why
you asked. Just assume that this is the case.
If you ask every time, and you do it in a smooth, assuming, calm
way, you'll get a lot of emails and phone numbers.
Note: Carry a pen on you at all times.
 

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"come on, i'm not a bad person!" in a very persuasive voice

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try this:

ask them why not?

any obstacle they give

find a way around it
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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another thing you want to learn to do is conceal your intentions

if you approach too directly it's pretty much a done deal
 

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xdreamz said:
another thing you want to learn to do is conceal your intentions

if you approach too directly it's pretty much a done deal


Wait a minute. Like make her think you're approaching her to be her friend instead of lover? Such as, you need her advice to shop for something, or advice what color shirt best looks on you.

I'm afraid that's one of the turn offs for women.
 

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once, i started off saying "hello".. and then just being straight out interested in her like "where you from?" "what do you study?" she was thinking wow this guy is really direct approaching me like this...but then i would bring up something like english tutoring.. and then she would be like wait you're a teacher? and then i would say stuff like no actually i would like to learn more chinese and i'm willing to tutor english in exchange. some qualification like "how much english do you know" "how many english classes do you have"..and then she'd be thinking yea right buster..i see what you're up to. and she'd bring up some kind of resistance.

so then when i would feel like she wasn't buying it i would just be like "actually i'm really just looking for a place to buy a cold drink...those refridgerators are broken over there" which was the truth. so i suggest you make it closest to the truth as possible. and then she was like "oh i think downstairs there is a place" and then i would just number close really fast restating the tutor proposal with..... she would just burst out laughing and say "ok fine" and she'd help me punch in the numbers. then: boooost!
 

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xdreamz said:
"come on, i'm not a bad person!" in a very persuasive voice

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try this:

ask them why not?

any obstacle they give

find a way around it
Sounds a bit smarmy to me. Besides, if a woman is interested she typically gives you some way to contact her. If she's interested.
 

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once, i started off saying "hello".. and then just being straight out interested in her like "where you from?" "what do you study?" she was thinking wow this guy is really direct approaching me like this...but then i would bring up something like english tutoring.. and then she would be like wait you're a teacher? and then i would say stuff like no actually i would like to learn more chinese and i'm willing to tutor english in exchange. some qualification like "how much english do you know" "how many english classes do you have"..and then she'd be thinking yea right buster..i see what you're up to. and she'd bring up some kind of resistance.

so then when i would feel like she wasn't buying it i would just be like "actually i'm really just looking for a place to buy a cold drink...those refridgerators are broken over there" which was the truth. so i suggest you make it closest to the truth as possible. and then she was like "oh i think downstairs there is a place" and then i would just number close really fast restating the tutor proposal with..... she would just burst out laughing and say "ok fine" and she'd help me punch in the numbers. then: boooost!
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Sounds a bit smarmy to me. Besides, if a woman is interested she typically gives you some way to contact her. If she's interested.
ur right. most of these numbers that you forcefully get are extremely hard to get right after. nothings impossible right. for example a few 4-5 months back... this hot chick was giving me loads of IODs and i was still trying to get her phone number, it wasn't looking like it was going to get better. she knew what i was up to... but i saw that she had a phone and just held out my hand and asked to see it. guess what? now i'm in control because I have her phone. you can be AFC all you want...you have her phone.... punched in the digits got the number like that.

but after you really really have to be fast..don't even waste time. after some good amount of days, just ask her out somehow asap.
 

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I pretend I'm speaking directly to her, deeper than her mask. Sensual eye contact pretty much gives away my intentions. She knows I want to bone her. If she's interested, she'll give me that digit.
 

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yea you're right...ur eyes give it away for sure

sometimes i'll look at the woman and i would make my eyes seem like i saw the most drop dead gorgeous woman in the world...

i would be all stuttering over my pick up line like..."c c c can you p p p lease tell me how to get to this building?" still keeping my eyes and body motions like i was almost 'in love' and then suddenly act like you're all trying to be cool but can hardly contain myself
 

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xdreamz said:
...but after you really really have to be fast..don't even waste time. after some good amount of days, just ask her out somehow asap.
Eh, I just straight away tell them that we should get together and if she's interested she'll give me her number.
 

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Example 1
"Um...sorry I don't like giving my numbers out to strangers"
you could just say something like
"how do you make friends then,
make plans, go out and stuff like that?".
and "Your just saying that because I'm a guy"

Example 2
"Umm No, I don't know you that well."
Reply "That's why you give me your number silly."
"So you can get to know me better."

Example 3
"Um...sorry I don't like giving my numbers out to strangers"
Reply "Don't worry I'm only going to call you 10 times like at 3 am
in the morning. Just give me your number ok I dont bite.

That's about as good as it gets bro.
Shes just either uptight, has low interest or both who knows.
Just stand your ground and show her your not a beta chump.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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