I don’t believe in maintaining frame

[captain55]

There is no such thing as game or maintaining frame only options. The only thing that determines your smv is how attractive other women find you.

If you live with your mom but are banging 9’s you have high smv. If you make 500k a year but struggle with 6’s your smv is low. This is the reality.

Secondly, There is no right or wrong way to pursue any chick. True confidence let’s you get away with a lot. In fact I have even found that when I know that I have other beautiful women after me I can get possessive and jealous towards my main plate and it only turns them on. I can get away with being emotional and they only find it sexy. If you have really high smv you can even tell a chick all your faults up front and say you don’t deserve a good woman because your a piece of **** player and don’t want to hurt her ....and she will just want you more!


There is no maintaining frame...be yourself. Just two weeks ago I had a chick call me weird as ****. An hour later she said she liked it. Two hours later I ****ed her.
I’ve done things wrong many times and still came out on top. I even told a 9 that I could see myself having kids with her two dates in because I liked her features and would love to bang her raw and not pull out. Was she weirded out? Yes she stopped talking to me a while. That would scare most women off..I am not advising this! But she’s the one chasing me these days.

Sometimes carelessness may freak chicks out initially but having no filter also shows your used to being an idiot and getting what you want with women.

I’m not advising this, just telling you guys what has worked for me and got me some damn fine chicks

 

[mrgoodstuff]

There is no such thing as game or maintaining frame only options. The only thing that determines your smv is how attractive other women find you.

If you live with your mom but are banging 9’s you have high smv. If you make 500k a year but struggle with 6’s your smv is low. This is the reality.

Secondly, There is no right or wrong way to pursue any chick. True confidence let’s you get away with a lot. In fact I have even found that when I know that I have other beautiful women after me I can get possessive and jealous towards my main plate and it only turns them on. I can get away with being emotional and they only find it sexy. If you have really high smv you can even tell a chick all your faults up front and say you don’t deserve a good woman because your a piece of **** player and don’t want to hurt her ....and she will just want you more!


There is no maintaining frame...be yourself. Just two weeks ago I had a chick call me weird as ****. An hour later she said she liked it. Two hours later I ****ed her.
I’ve done things wrong many times and still came out on top. I even told a 9 that I could see myself having kids with her two dates in because I liked her features and would love to bang her raw and not pull out. Was she weirded out? Yes she stopped talking to me a while. That would scare most women off..I am not advising this! But she’s the one chasing me these days.

Sometimes carelessness may freak chicks out initially but having no filter also shows your used to being an idiot and getting what you want with women.

I’m not advising this, just telling you guys what has worked for me and got me some damn fine chicks

So when you've tried to force it or try to lock your personality traits Rock solid it's fvcked you over? When you don't overly concerned yourself with their thoughts or what they want you've had you way?

 

[ohrein]

So what you're saying is you have game, it works, but you don't believe in it? Having an IDGAF attitude is game 101. It subconsciously places you as higher value than her. It is the epitome of confidence or even borderline arrogance. Your frame is take me or leave me, don't care. It's rock solid.

If you really want to test your SMV is everything theory, try taking a woman flowers on a first date, being meek, fail to make eye contact, tell her you think she's really special and would like to be exclusive with her. Tell her how beautiful she is repeatedly and how lucky you'd be to have a single night with her. If you can get laid doing that, I'll concede that LMS/SMV is all that matters. Good luck.

 

[Skyline]

I don't believe in smv.

All of what you said gets thrown out the window when a super model starts dating a dead beat.

How is that possible? Because his frame is an idgaf attitude.

And that thing you said about having kids with a woman 2 dates in would scare anyone off.

 

[captain55]

I don't believe in smv.

All of what you said gets thrown out the window when a super model starts dating a dead beat.

How is that possible? Because his frame is an idgaf attitude.

And that thing you said about having kids with a woman 2 dates in would scare anyone off.

A supermodel doesn’t date a deadbeat. He probably has something other chicks want and she knows it

 

[mrgoodstuff]

A supermodel doesn’t date a deadbeat. He probably has something other chicks want and she knows it

It could be he has NOTHING, but he knows how to say what they want to hear, and he's dated a few in that group. Dating even one in the group gives you an in.

 

[Mazer]

A good looking man with high SMV who holds frame > A good looking man with high SMV who doesnt hold frame. You are under the assumption that these bishes arent going to find a man with higher value and more attractive than their current one. Always be better than the next guy even if you think you are a 9.

 

[zekko]

I don't really see frame as having anything to do with SMV really. It's just living life on your terms.
I'm on a particular journey, she is welcome to join the journey and is free to contribute to it with her own ideas. But I have certain standards of behavior that she needs to live up to, or she is out. I don't mean that in a mean or sh!tty way, but that's the way it is. To me that's frame.

 

[baurman]

Being a good looking guy isnt enough. Girls always want the next best thing, you need more things going on than just looks or else another guy who comes along who can make her laugh + hold frame but doesn't have good looks will steal her away from the chody good looking guy who texts her "what you up to? lol wyd? where ya wanna go?" See the difference? A girl aint gonna give a **** how good u look if u annoying, needy or jealous.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It has occurred to me recently that too much emphasis is placed on 'maintaining frame', 100% of the time. This is possibly a evolutionary knee-jerk reaction of men's communal lack of success with women.

I've started relaxing a bit more and allow women to lead the way a bit. That's not to say become a door mat, but there is a definite risk of coming across as a bit of a control freak. I've met very controlling women before and they are not pleasant to be around. I am sure the same is true of men.

There's a fine line between having a backbone, and not being a stone-cold stick in the mud.

 

[Von]

It has occurred to me recently that too much emphasis is placed on 'maintaining frame', 100% of the time. This is possibly a evolutionary knee-jerk reaction of men's communal lack of success with women.

I've started relaxing a bit more and allow women to lead the way a bit. That's not to say become a door mat, but there is a definite risk of coming across as a bit of a control freak. I've met very controlling women before and they are not pleasant to be around. I am sure the same is true of men.

There's a fine line between having a backbone, and not being a stone-cold stick in the mud.

Frame is like Water: suttle, adaptative, powerful.

Frame needs to be like Water.

Like Water its contextual but always flowing from the source.

 

[Glassguy]

It's not about necessarily what you have, rather what you make women think you have.

You should broadcast yourself as a highly wanted man from the onset.

Be the manipulator, not the manipulated.

Act as if your SMV is through the roof and get in those panties. After you score, who really cares.

Sell the dream, get what you want from them and then pull back and watch them chase.

It's all about your attitude and mentality that makes you either irresistible or a tool with women.

 

[ohrein]

It has occurred to me recently that too much emphasis is placed on 'maintaining frame', 100% of the time. This is possibly a evolutionary knee-jerk reaction of men's communal lack of success with women.

I've started relaxing a bit more and allow women to lead the way a bit. That's not to say become a door mat, but there is a definite risk of coming across as a bit of a control freak. I've met very controlling women before and they are not pleasant to be around. I am sure the same is true of men.

There's a fine line between having a backbone, and not being a stone-cold stick in the mud.

Frame has nothing to do with control. Frame is simply what you will and won't tolerate. If you're with a woman and she flirts with another man in front of you, trying to control her to stop her is weak. You're saying I think you will wander unless I stop you. Frame is saying, "you two have fun", then leaving because you know you can do better. You don't need her and you do not settle for disrespect, ever. If she tries to apologize or defend her actions you state what you expect from a woman. That's it. She follows and she's in your frame or she doesn't and you leave. You do not demand she do anything, you don't even ask her to do anything. You tell her how you expect respectful partners to behave. That's if you're feeling generous enough to offer her the chance to redeem herself. If it's really disrespectful, she's not worth it by the way.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Frame has nothing to do with control. Frame is simply what you will and won't tolerate. If you're with a woman and she flirts with another man in front of you, trying to control her to stop her is weak. You're saying I think you will wander unless I stop you. Frame is saying, "you two have fun", then leaving because you know you can do better. You don't need her and you do not settle for disrespect, ever. If she tries to apologize or defend her actions you state what you expect from a woman. That's it. She follows and she's in your frame or she doesn't and you leave. You do not demand she do anything, you don't even ask her to do anything. You tell her how you expect respectful partners to behave. That's if you're feeling generous enough to offer her the chance to redeem herself. If it's really disrespectful, she's not worth it by the way.

Many guys confuse frame for control.

 

[Glassguy]

Many guys confuse frame for control.

Agreed. As men, we will never be able to control a woman. Some may think they can but sooner or later the woman is going to figure out a way to do what she wants. Controlling a woman, or trying to at least, is the complete opposite of a IDGAF mentality.

As men we can however control ourselves. That is frame. We establish a standard that we allow in terms of what we are willing or unwilling to put up with from women. Once we establish those boundaries it is up to them to keep testing the waters or not. If they continue we simply walk away. That is frame.

@ohrein the example of "you two have fun" and walking away is spot on. No reason to get mad, butt hurt, emotional or cause a scene. Simply adhere to the level of treatment and respect that you expect from a woman. Simple as that.