"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Johnnyventana

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I think the difference is you can't get out of the 'pretend' friends zone. That is, if you want a chick and she says let's just be friends. She doesn't want to be your friend. She's just being nice. She also super doesn't want to fk you. Now, if you are actual friends with a chick, it is because she likes you obviously. And seriously, why not fk?! Actual friends vs. polite pretend friends = big difference.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Johnnyventana said:
I think the difference is you can't get out of the 'pretend' friends zone. That is, if you want a chick and she says let's just be friends. She doesn't want to be your friend. She's just being nice. She also super doesn't want to fk you. Now, if you are actual friends with a chick, it is because she likes you obviously. And seriously, why not fk?! Actual friends vs. polite pretend friends = big difference.
honestly its never like that

there's girls that do want to be your friends but find it gross to fk you BECAUSE you guys are friends
 

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ARrocket said:
Asexuals! :rockon:

I hate to further hijack this thread but just make sure you're all aware that there's a HUGE difference between "I want to fvck my female friends" and "I WOULD fvck my female friends." Active pursuit and giving a damn being the key differences!
No, it is the same thing. I'd you are anything close to a sexual being, which you should be, you want to f- anything. "would f"@&k" means attraction at the least on the subcoucious level.
 

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Johnnyventana said:
I think the difference is you can't get out of the 'pretend' friends zone. That is, if you want a chick and she says let's just be friends. She doesn't want to be your friend. She's just being nice. She also super doesn't want to fk you. Now, if you are actual friends with a chick, it is because she likes you obviously. And seriously, why not fk?! Actual friends vs. polite pretend friends = big difference.
Doesnt wanna be your friend cause there is something wrong with you and you want to f@&$k her. Anyway, they wanna be friends with everybody as well as he is non- creepy and gives her attention. It's one of the types of friendzone, yet that one is a sure dead end. Gotta defferentiate between the types. Sometimes it is best to actually friend a woman if you feel like she is not interested at all. Just don't make a move on her at all. The chances are she will kill any attraction you ever had for her anyway and from there you have a low chance of getting with her, but it is better than 0.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Alex DeLarge said:
To Igetit!, maybe I still am in the friendzone? That would be fine by me as long as I still hook up with her. I like having friends.

Well that's cool and all,but I'd SINCERELY like an aswer to my question.


1:The "friendzone" you say you got out of.....is it one where a guy is constantly around a girl,becomes her "best friend",is like a "girlfriend" with her,becomes her emotional tampon,and listens and discuss with her all problems she has with OTHER GUYS she's sleeping with?

Is that the type of friendzone you got out of? PLEASE say yes.


That,and there's one more thing I'm curious about....

You said that you asked this girl to be your girlfriend before in the past,and that she denied you. Well you don't go from "Hi,how are you" to being "girlfriend and boyfriend" without a dating period,so......


Did you two date FIRST,you ask her to be your girlfriend to which she denied you,THEN you got friendzoned?



That's what I want to know.



Dude,NOBODY HERE wants your claim to be more true than I.


I just want to determine if you were in the "true friendzone" or not.
 

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Igetit! said:
I just want to determine if you were in the "true friendzone" or not.
What if you ALWAYS flirted with her and were never overly close as friends she's just not into you? Is that the "uglyzone"?
 

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PapiChulo said:
No, it is the same thing. I'd you are anything close to a sexual being, which you should be, you want to f- anything. "would f"@&k" means attraction at the least on the subcoucious level.
You're telling me that if you take one of your attractive female friends, have a couple drinks with her, perhaps you're pretty horny that night, and she starts making moves on YOU, you won't have sex with her? Doubtful.
 

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lol hooking up with a friend isent leaving the friend zone , its defiantly not impossible , but its not worth the effort
 

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Alex can you give a synopsis of what you did to reverse your position with this girl.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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irocknike23 said:
honestly its never like that

there's girls that do want to be your friends but find it gross to fk you BECAUSE you guys are friends
Wrong. They don't wanna f$&@k you because you aren't hot to begin with. Seldom there is a thing like you ve described above. There are different types of friend zones, ranging from where you are actually friends to where this status is on hold- call it the "ugly zone " or whatever.
 

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ARrocket said:
You're telling me that if you take one of your attractive female friends, have a couple drinks with her, perhaps you're pretty horny that night, and she starts making moves on YOU, you won't have sex with her? Doubtful.
That's not the point. You are still pursuing passively, stringing along potential hookups, etc. And about giving a damn, I think everybody does care a little bit, otherwise why would you stay in touch. It is a tricky territory, sir.
 

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Okay, well in my past I had chatted with her a lot on AIM and would listen to her b1tch about her stupid boyfriends at the time.

I would give her rides to wherever she needed to go.

I wouldn't get nervous around her, but I just wasn't suave or sexual.

However this was a WHILE ago. about 4 years ago. I eventually found a steady girlfriend back then and just stopped talking to this girl. We eventually ran into each other at a bar and caught up, then the following weekend I hook up with her.

She did mention something about not wanting to destroy friendships or some sh1t... But I just kept making out with her. She had a great time lol.
 

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firstly Congrats dude! i know what it feels like to do this. took me awhile to do it to But when i did it it was TOTALLY worth it. however.. word to the wise. work out what the f*** you want now. i lost a very good friend because i was a total AFC. after we had sex a few times i got too needy and boom game over!


@ Jaylan

it dose take 7 years man. it's not the fact it took 7 years. it's that fact HE DID IT. not most guys can say they f ed their bestfriend now can they?
 

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Yeah true. I do like her a lot and could easily see her as my steady girlfriend, but I'm going to wait it out and see how things develop. She had just gotten out of a 3 year relationship a month ago and I had just gotten finished with another girl at the same time and do not want the "rebound" effect for the both of us.

My main concern is that I do not want to do something really stupid to make this girl want me out of her life completely (like I did with my last girl) because she's a great friend to just hangout with too.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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OK, so you didn't get out of the friendzone with her.

You basically hadn't seen each other in four years then reconnected and "hooked up" (what ever that means) Am I correct?

Getting out the friendzone typically means when a guy and a girl see each other pretty regularly as friends, and that friendship mutates into something more.

In your case, the friendship pretty much ended over time due to no contact.
 

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