"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I can't get "dates"!

DJHoolahoop

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Hey guys,

I've been having problems getting together with the girls I've been getting numbers from. I don't spend much time approaching and would like to hear how the people who experienced this problem got past it or any wisdom that came out of it.

To clarify my problem a little further, its that I can get a number/e-mail a week, but that I've been unsuccessful so far in actually meeting up with a girl. I usually have a couple girls that I am interested in at one time, so that I'm not too wrapped up in one particular girl. I have been having a hard time getting to know the girl one-on-one (meeting up somewhere) as she usually comes up with some reason as to why she's busy that day.

Help?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Wiesman44

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you're obviously not creating enough attraction. Work on how you PU these women rather than worrying about the amount of #'s you get.
 

DJHoolahoop

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OK, then perhaps its in something I'm not doing or am not doing enough of that is the problem? In what way should I be handling the situation? As it is I generally try to talk about things that aren't boring (work, tv, school) and do light kino (placing hand on their forearm or shoulder). I throw in C&F and can get the girl laughing, but each time I bring up meeting somewhere (i.e. "Hey, I'm heading to ___ thursday night, come hang out") and she'll say "yeah, I might have something planned that night but I'll try to make it out." Which usually means she won't show up.

I'm just not sure what part of all this that I'm being weak in or not getting right.
 

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What do you do to set up a date once you get their number?
 

DJHoolahoop

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Well in general I figure out where I have free time during the week or at least find times where I am going somewhere that could include a girl. Then I invite them to join me, whether my friends will be there or whether it happens to be just me. I try to make it as comfortable for them as possible without being complacent.

Being more specific would include "Hey ___, my friends and I are headed to (such and such place) and you're welcome to join us." or if I don't know her well yet I'll say "I'm going to the coffee shop this (thursday) to read for an hour, but I wouldn't hold it against you were you to show up."
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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SynapsyS

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You're not being authoritive enough. Don't be all wishywashy about it.

"Hey, I'm going to the coffee shop, join me :)"
 

ImtheOne

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you probably need to be forward that its just you and them on the date, no friends
 
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