"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I’m ready to share my wisdom…and get you guys laid

otr4

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I’m ready to share my wisdom…and get you guys laid

I haven’t posted on here for a while (most of you probably don’t even remember me). I’ve been a member for some time now (years) and I was reading posts on this website long before I even became a member. I have studied seduction, in a variety of ways for years now, and have experienced significant success IN THE REAL WORLD. I come back here today to share my wisdom and help out those in need. I feel I owe it to this site for helping me so much.

I’m sure you’re probably asking yourself why you should listen to me. For one, I am not trying to be a “Pook” or a “David DeAngelo”. I’m not an “expert,” who loves to preach or make money, but I am someone who has overcome HUGE obstacles and I want to share what has worked for me (and I’m sure will work for you).

If you read any of my earlier posts on this site I was SUPER depressed, never had any girls around, couldn’t even talk to girls—I was the EPITOME of an AFC (textbook) and my friends even started to give me sh** for being such a wuss/chump with women. I was obsessed with thinking my APPERANCE was why I never had any women or got laid. I was so low I was suicidal. However, for years I have worked hard and can now boast a long resume of my success with girls. I will give a short synopsis of my success and then we will move on with the help…

My first real success started around 2 1/2 years ago. I’ve had THREE girlfriends in the last two years. I only like very attractive, hot girls and have settled for nothing else. An old roommate of mine got so jealous that I was dating and having sex with this one girl that he would not let me even talk about her when he was around.
Besides these three girlfriends, I’ve dated numerous other girls (at one point I was seriously dating and having sex with two girls and both girls knew about the other girl, but put up with it because they liked me so much).
One girlfriend wanted to start having threesomes with me—we used to go out looking for other girls to bring home and share. I’ve got the girls I’ve been with to be the kinkiest sex kittens they’ve ever been in their whole life (I probably can’t discuss much of that here).
At this point in time I have an awesome, intelligent, talented, beautiful girlfriend who will do ANYTHING for me—she completely adores me and we’ve been together for almost a year and a half. She’s got her life together and could have so many other guys, but she sticks LOYALLY to me. She is a sex fiend, but looks wholesome. I could go on and on about her, but she is pretty much what we all want when we come to this website (and if you think you want to be one of those guys who just has sex with different women and doesn’t want a girlfriend…your mind will probably change when you actually DO just have sex with a lot of women and realize it might be better to have safe sex with just one hot awesome girl—at least for a while).

One night a few weeks ago I was out with a guy friend and a girl HE really likes. This girl was hot, but I wasn’t thinking much of her because my friend was all into her and I have a girlfriend. But by the end of the night, this girl was giving me all these signs and eventually told me she wanted to have sex with me to my face. I blew her off because I’m loyal to my girl, but years ago something like this would have NEVER, EVER happened to me--not even an ugly girl would have said anything to me like that. Now I have girls all over the place.

I don’t mean any of this to sound like I’m bragging, I just want to show I have been successful and therefore the advice I give will be worthwhile.

At this point in time I am opening up this post to questions. For the next week I will give answers to anything you want to know. Please bare with me as I’m a very busy person, but I promise to dedicate time to writing back. I hope I am able to help in the biggest way possible.

Sincerely,

OTR4
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Vanilla

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I read through and I don't see anything that really helps anyone. Seems like bragging to me.
 

otr4

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I wasn't trying to give any advice in the post. I'm not here to give that all important "Tip." I just want to answers questions and share my experience.
 

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How do you pull a hot girl from a club? How do you do it in detail from open to close. What's your tactics and techniques? I know this is a broad question but you say you went from bAFC to attract hot girls, but you didn't mention how you do that.
 

otr4

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I hate clubs. You don't want girls from the clubs--they have diseases. Seriously though, the best way to deal with clubs is to go with ANOTHER girl and make sure she is attractive. If you have absolutely no girl to go with you, maybe going to clubs should be low on your priority list. When you show up with an attractive girl, the competitive nature in women will come out and they will vie for your attention (and wonder what your status is with the girl who's with you). It's late where I live, but I will elaborate more later on all of your questions.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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green69

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I think the size of your ego is ridiculous.
 

asmokindeal

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When I'm talking to a chick on a cold approach and I get them laughing a little I never know if I should keep smilling or tone it down and be a little bit cool and collected.

Is there a point at which you should shift gears and stop being ****y and funny and be cool and confident?
 
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