"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Hypothetical question

Eternal_water

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This hasn't happened to me but.

Say you are 21 yrs old and you are gaming a girl in a bar/club or you have already done that and been on a few dates etc.

And she asks If you are a virgin, would you admit it or say otherwise?

On the one hand you could say denying it is being insecure and you'd be right of course but on the other hand, but If you admit you are a virgin that will surely make her interest level plummet, ie. not having options, no social value etc.

So admit or deny?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Eternal_water said:
This hasn't happened to me but.

Say you are 21 yrs old and you are gaming a girl in a bar/club or you have already done that and been on a few dates etc.

And she asks If you are a virgin, would you admit it or say otherwise?

On the one hand you could say denying it is being insecure and you'd be right of course but on the other hand, but If you admit you are a virgin that will surely make her interest level plummet, ie. not having options, no social value etc.

So admit or deny?
Hypothetical anwser:

If she asks if you are a virgin you are being beta. Hover hands...
 

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that's an interesting question. girls are SCREWED up bro. just keep that in mind.

i was a member on another dating community that had a pretty equal number of men and women members

one chick made a thread asking if it was weird that the guy she's seeing was a 23 year old virgin.

she said he was good looking, funny, charming, good job, etc, everything she looked for in a man but was debating cutting him loose because in her opinion "it's weird. and i dont want to have to be a teacher when it comes to sex"

i just don't know of many success stories where a guy admits he's a late bloomer and it works out in his favor
 

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I mean...if I was asked I would say "hell yeah I am a virgin, I am saving myself for marriage" But it would be in a funny way that she knew I was bull****ting.
 

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MisterD said:
that's an interesting question. girls are SCREWED up bro. just keep that in mind.

i was a member on another dating community that had a pretty equal number of men and women members

one chick made a thread asking if it was weird that the guy she's seeing was a 23 year old virgin.

she said he was good looking, funny, charming, good job, etc, everything she looked for in a man but was debating cutting him loose because in her opinion "it's weird. and i dont want to have to be a teacher when it comes to sex"

i just don't know of many success stories where a guy admits he's a late bloomer and it works out in his favor

I'm not even sure the girl is screwed up in her belief. I'd feel the same way.

We're talking about dating people. You know, having fun, seeing where things go. The thought of being a virgin's first sexual partner just makes me think they'll instantly want to bond into some type of LTR.

I know some guys are into virgins, but not me. I like a girl who knows how to f**k without making a huge deal about what it means.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Iceberg said:
I'm not even sure the girl is screwed up in her belief. I'd feel the same way.

We're talking about dating people. You know, having fun, seeing where things go. The thought of being a virgin's first sexual partner just makes me think they'll instantly want to bond into some type of LTR.

I know some guys are into virgins, but not me. I like a girl who knows how to f**k without making a huge deal about what it means.
yeah, but, two things:

1.) girls will NEVER get rejected for being a virgin. like you said, some guys try to seek them out specifically. male virgins will never have that edge

2.) we don't know why he's a late bloomer. shy? socially awkward? maybe he is a recovering afc and finally started gaming? maybe he wasn't attractive before but worked on himself and now he is?

we can't just automatically assume he's a weirdo and write him off. i find that pretty depressing that even a guy that seemingly has it all would be rejected for lack of sexual experience. it's like girls need to smell other vagina on you in order for you to be successful. which is a catch 22 because to bang other women, you have to bang that first woman. and that first one is always the hardest
 

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It's no different than going to your first job interview only to hear that they only hire experienced people.

How the fvck people get experience if in order to do something that give you experience you need to have some experience first.

Fake untill you make it, is the answer.
 

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yeah, denying is pretty much what I thought, shame though.

How is one supposed to be completely comfortable with himself and yet hide this cos it repels women.

oh well,
 

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That means something is wrong with your vibe. Girls want something other girls desire. Girls never want a virgin so that's a bad sign. Sometimes I tell girls I'm a virgin and they already know I'm lieing my as% off. Girls just don't want virgins.
 

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PrettyBoyAJ said:
That means something is wrong with your vibe. Girls want something other girls desire. Girls never want a virgin so that's a bad sign. Sometimes I tell girls I'm a virgin and they already know I'm lieing my as% off. Girls just don't want virgins.
Yeah, I already know that, doesn't stop me being one though
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Deny, deny, deny. I believe in honesty. But under no circumstances should you tell a girl you're a virgin. As has been said, it's a shame it has to be this way. But you can't do it. You have to deny it. Besides, if you tell her, she can then tell everybody else, post it on her Facebook, etc.

Don't think of it as feeling uncomfortable with yourself, just think of it as the way girls are.

Like Pneuma alludes to, there's something you are doing (or not doing) that prompted her to ask that question. If you were a supercool dude rolling up on her it never would have even entered her head.

Instead of worrying about lying, I would get the problem taken care of at the root. Find the most blind drunk girl you can for your first time, that way she probably won't realize if you're bad at it or not. ;)
 

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I'm with Zekko. Most females, ESPECIALLY at this young age where they are EXTREMELY shallow and judgemental, will be turned off by a male virgin.

If you want to get laid, you have to lie about being a virgin.

If she senses your nervousness or awkwardness, tell her it's been a while since you had "been with" someone (ie a dry spell, just don't call it a dry spell lol.)

Girls can understand you being celibate for say six months or a year, but NOT that you're a virgin. Maybe you're in between relationships and don't do ONS' much.

But say it confidently and matter of factly like it's no big deal and you just haven't had time or met someone that really does it for you. Don't say it coming from a place of "I struggle to get laid" shame and embarrassment.
 

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The only way I would admit to being a virgin is if I had some gamey azz MILF seizing me up. Then i'd give her the deer in the headlights innocence look and timidly say "yes" and wait patiently to be raped. Otherwise I would make a joke of it and say something like "yes, i'm pure as the arctic snow. Lets go outside for a second I want to show you something."

The last thing you want to do is answer every question a girl asks, you need to start practicing for when you get married...
 
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