Hybrid (Corolla, Camry, Civic) vs none Hybrid?

[EyeBRollin]

Hi EyeBRollin,
Batteries are very Heavy,compared to similar sized conventional vehicles..EV's are heavier on tyres and brake shoes...I only saw my first EV last year,first charging Station only six months ago...But you have seven years practical experience and you like them,I shall try and keep an open mind.

EV batteries have only gotten lighter. You have to look at the total curb weight of the vehicle. Engine has weight of its own, as does fuel, transmission, fluid etc. My volt is 3500 lbs and has both battery and engine. my previous car was an ICE that shared the same chassis and weighted 3200 lbs. That 300 lbs has a negligible effect on braking as already mentioned in this thread EVs and hybrids do not use their mechanical brakes at all outside of emergency stopping. You will not need brake maintenance with these cars.

 

[Bible_Belt]

A friend has the new Nissan ev. He got a sweetheart deal, because he works for the company and they werent selling very many.
They let him charge it for free at work. I've learned a few things from him, like when they advertise a range, that is during warm weather. A 300 mile range is 200 miles when it is cold outside.

Also, there is a big difference between the basic charging stations versus the fast ones. It's drastic, like six hours versus six minutes. So the location of these fast chargers is critical to planning a long trip. It works well when he stays on the interstate highway, but not for rural meandering.

It does seem like a bullsh1t that Tesla charging stations are not compatible with other cars. It's ridiculous to have to build double the infrastructure.

 

[The Duke]

There’s been no difference whatsoever in tire wear in my experience and I’ve never heard this be a concern among hybrid or EV cars.

Depends on driving habits. I've heard of many complain about it. Going thru tires on their Tesla in 25k miles.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Depends on driving habits. I've heard of many complain about it. Going thru tires on their Tesla in 25k miles.

Most Tesla are AWD and IIRC use cheap tires. Just get tires with a tread wear warranty. The OEM I had was Michelin Energy Savers, a 50K tire.

A friend has the new Nissan ev. He got a sweetheart deal, because he works for the company and they werent selling very many.
They let him charge it for free at work. I've learned a few things from him, like when they advertise a range, that is during warm weather. A 300 mile range is 200 miles when it is cold outside.

Also, there is a big difference between the basic charging stations versus the fast ones. It's drastic, like six hours versus six minutes. So the location of these fast chargers is critical to planning a long trip. It works well when he stays on the interstate highway, but not for rural meandering.

It does seem like a bullsh1t that Tesla charging stations are not compatible with other cars. It's ridiculous to have to build double the infrastructure.

Yeah range drops off in the winter, it can be up to 50% lower. Electric is less efficient at heat generation. Plug-in hybrids will often use the gas engine for heat in this scenarios. The flip side is there is less of an A/C penalty vs ICE in hot weather.

There are 3 charging levels:
Level 1: all EVs come with a power cord. You can plug this into any standard outlet. It nets 3-4 miles per hour of charge. Charges an EV in 3 days, plug in hybrid in 12 hours.

Level 2: This is standard level Installed at home stations and in most public chargers. Nets 20-25 miles per hour of charge. Charges an EV in 8-10 hours, plug-in hybrid in 2.

Level 3: Tesla Superchargers and Fast Chargers. Only see these at rest areas. Charges an EV 150 miles in a half hour of charge. Incompatible with plug-in hybrids.

Tesla chargers are mechanically compatible with other brands of EVs. It’s a matter of if Elon wants to open them up.

 

[Scaramouche]

EV batteries have only gotten lighter. You have to look at the total curb weight of the vehicle. Engine has weight of its own, as does fuel, transmission, fluid etc. My volt is 3500 lbs and has both battery and engine. my previous car was an ICE that shared the same chassis and weighted 3200 lbs. That 300 lbs has a negligible effect on braking as already mentioned in this thread EVs and hybrids do not use their mechanical brakes at all outside of emergency stopping. You will not need brake maintenance with these cars.

Should a Sports Sedan Weigh More Than an F-150?

In our test of the first hybrid BMW M5, one question was top of mind: What is lost and what is gained in the era of big batteries?

www.insidehook.com

Hi Rollin Eyes,
Yes,they are heavier,hybrids particularly....BMW's are 25%heavier,here's an article whinging about it https://www.insidehook.com/reviews/bmw-m5-sports-sedan-weigh-more-f150

 

[sevbucmash]

Starting this thread was just my beginning of deeper dive into this subject, of cheap new reliable fun car. You see, I'll be buying a brand new car sometime this February or March, because I'd need me some wheels. Now, new or used I don't know. If used is cheap enough, 4 grand, probably used, but if used is closer to 10, I'll make that payment plundge.

So anyway. Here are my findings.

2025 Honda Civic hybrid system = no bueno. People are getting crap fuel mileage.
2025 Toyota Corolla hybrid system = bueno. People are consistantly getting 60 mpg. Advertised is 50 mpg. The only thing is that it's borring.

2025 Toyota Camry Hybrid = best. For it's money. Best. A lot of car. Excellent fuel economy. Fun. Not borring.

I'm however, after conventional Civic manual. Keyword here is manual. Because otherwise I'd get borred with the car. If I'm to have a cheap car, at least it would have to be fun. I want a hatch, which is not made in year 2025 with manual. So it's either compromise for Civic Si sedan, or look for previous years manual hatch.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Should a Sports Sedan Weigh More Than an F-150?

In our test of the first hybrid BMW M5, one question was top of mind: What is lost and what is gained in the era of big batteries?

www.insidehook.com

Hi Rollin Eyes,
Yes,they are heavier,hybrids particularly....BMW's are 25%heavier,here's an article whinging about it https://www.insidehook.com/reviews/bmw-m5-sports-sedan-weigh-more-f150

That’s an outlier. A 5,400 lb Sedan sounds like a personal problem.

Curb weight of some common PHEVs/Hybrids/EVs:
Chevrolet Volt (discontinued) 3,500 lbs
Chevrolet Bolt 3,600 lbs
Toyota Prius Prime 3,500 lbs
Honda Accord Hybrid 3,500 lbs
Toyota Camry Hybrid 3,500 lbs
Toyota Corolla Hybrud 2,900 lbs
Hyundai Ioniq 3,000 lbs
Toyota Crown 4,000 lbs
Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 3,500 lbs
Nissan Leaf 3,500 lbs

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'm however, after conventional Civic manual. Keyword here is manual. Because otherwise I'd get borred with the car. If I'm to have a cheap car, at least it would have to be fun. I want a hatch, which is not made in year 2025 with manual. So it's either compromise for Civic Si sedan, or look for previous years manual hatch.

If you want a manual, get one while you still can. The tech is obsolete. Even Auto Transmissions are starting to be slowly phased out for “single/no speed”and CVTs.

 

[SW15]

@EyeBRollin you might never need a brake job, but you will spend more on tires.

Yes, hybrids and EVs are tougher on tires.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Yes, hybrids and EVs are tougher on tires.

That is a skill issue (don’t drive like an aszhole).

 

[Scaramouche]

If you want a manual, get one while you still can. The tech is obsolete. Even Auto Transmissions are starting to be slowly phased out for “single/no speed”and CVTs.

Hi Eyes,
While everything you say is true,there will always be people like SW15 who enjoy driving and also Country Folk like me who take their vehicles off road,occasionally get bogged....I would also suggest that tyre wear'n'tear is much lower on a well driven manual.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Hi Eyes,
While everything you say is true,there will always be people like SW15 who enjoy driving and also Country Folk like me who take their vehicles off road,occasionally get bogged....I would also suggest that tyre wear'n'tear is much lower on a well driven manual.

Given that the typical car thief is about 12 years old, my manual transmission is an excellent anti theft device.