"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How'd I Handle This?

ENIGMA16

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I didn't see an intros forum/thread so I figured I'd just put a short intro here and then ask my question. I've basically been trolling around this forum for a while and decided what the hell and registered.

So I'm 22 and I've had a few long term relationships in my life and every single girl I've fooled around with I've either known prior to it or was a friend of a friend. So before this I've never really had to have any kind of game and was able to get these girls by just being myself.

But recently I just got out of a 1 1/2 year relationship that I wasn't feeling anymore and decided to start working on my game and basically working on issues I've always had (that I think most guys have or have had at one point) with girls.

The first thing is that because I've never had to talk up a stranger I have no experience with it and thus it just continued. My problem was always with an opening; I hate saying cheesy **** that I see a lot of guys using but can't think of anything clever or even good to say so I miss my opportunity. Of course this could prob just be an excuse to cover up anxiety with first doing something like this.

I feel like I'd be fine after breaking the ice, though, as I've always been pretty comfortable and open/direct once I'm actually talking to girls (if like a friend introduces me to a girl that I'm attracted to for example I'm usually fine).

So here's the tale of the first time I got a stranger's number. Comments and tips would be appreciated!!!

THE STORY:

So basically there's this girl that I've seen around campus sporadically over the past 2 years. I didn't talk to her originally because I was a chump and excused it by assuming this guy I saw her with occasionally was her boyfriend. Then I got into that 1 1/2 year relationship. But after breaking up with my ex I saw this girl at the bar twice.

Now, this girl isn't like the hottest ****ing thing in the world. Some of my friends saw her and didn't think she was attractive at all (they didn't think she was ugly, but they didn't think she was attractive either). But for some reason this girl's style and look just ****ing blows my mind and I think she's ****ing gorgeous.

So, with my own personal mission of learning to introduce myself to girls I don't know, and seeing this girl that I've been wanting to talk to for a while, I figured this would be a perfect opportunity.

So one night two weeks ago me and a bunch of friends are at the bar, and I'm really drunk and I see this girl there with a friend. I don't want to talk to her because I'm so drunk and don't want to make an idiot out of myself (because I seriously did overdo it that night), but I end up telling my friend about how I think this girl is the hottest thing ever. She takes it upon herself to go and introduce herself to them as they walk out of the bathroom. And by this time I'm in a conversation with someone else and have to piss really bad, but the bathroom's got a line so I start walking outside to take a piss out back. My friend snags me and introduces me to this girl's friend. I introduce myself (don't remember if I said any more because I was so drunk) and quickly go outside because I couldn't hold it any longer.

So I don't really remember what ended up happening, but they ended up leaving after a while. Then my friend tells me that she went up to that girl and told her I think she's ****ing hot, and the girl was flattered as **** (obviously). She got the girl's name, too.

So fast forward about a week. Me and some friends are at this street festival. As I'm going to meet my friends to leave, I see this girl across the street with a group of about 10 people. So I stop and start thinking over how I could approach her and what I could say and all this, and wondering if I should do it or not. Then suddenly a light just snaps on in my head and I just say to myself "You better start walking right now or you're never going to talk to this girl, and if you don't talk to this girl, you aren't going to talk to any girls." So I just start walking over without any clue as to what the hell I was going to do or say. Keep in mind that this girl's in a group with a bunch of people.

So I get up to this girl and put my hand on the small of her back and she turns around and I ask her "Can I borrow you for a minute?" She's like yeah sure and we go over and I ask her "You're x, right?" and she's like yeah. I ask her if she knows how I know and tell her about my friend that approached her and told her how cute I think she is. And then we made like 2 seconds of small talk and threw in some **** that made her laugh. So then I ask her for her number and she hooks it up. I tell her we're going to this one bar, but she declines because it's on the other side of town and she didn't want to go that far, so I tell her that we'll be there if she changes her mind, give her a hug and leave (I was in a hurry because I was supposed to meet my friends to leave).

So keep in mind that this was a little less than a week ago. This whole week I was swamped with work/school, being busy with that **** til like 9 at night, and this weekend I'm going out of town, so I wasn't planning on contacting her until next week. Last night though I got way drunk and texted her asking her what she's doing on Tuesday night. I get home and pass out and wake up to a text from her asking who this is because I didn't give her my number. So I'm thinking "**** that was lame, why would I ask her out over a text?" and go into damage control mode. I text her saying that I was trying to text someone else and wasn't paying attention. Then after that I call her to set up a date, as I've already initiated contact so I might as well follow through. She doesn't answer and it goes to voicemail. I opt not to leave a voicemail and instead text her saying I called her but got her voicemail and that I wanted to get together with her sometime next week for some coffee and said that she should call me back if she's down.

Now, I haven't gotten contact from her since that text she sent me asking who this was, so I don't know if that weirded her out or if she just hasn't had time to call me back or what.

Basically decided to post this because it was my first real attempt at breaking through this barrier and was looking for comments/criticisms/etc... and some advice on the matter.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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lol yes it was that long. The sheer longness of it deters people from even wanting to read it but if you condense it I will answer.
 

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Nice man! Keep it going. Let us know if you have any (short) specific questions.
 

ENIGMA16

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Yeah so she hasn't called me back yet. I don't know if she's just not interested or what, but when I got her number she seemed down.

I've been thinking about calling her once more and trying to set something up and just leaving it be if nothing comes of that, or maybe I'll just talk to her next time I see her. I'm kind of disappointed because she seems pretty cool and I didn't even set anything up, but you can't win em all I guess.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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If you can guage where you may run into her, its cool to approach. But be sober, well dressed, smelling good, and confident. Having a female friend-hottie hangin with you would be good too. Dont give up yet, but dont stop sarging other plates as well. keep us informed.... but keep it succinct! LOL
 

ENIGMA16

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So I called her last night and left a vm basically saying I was going out to a bar that I've seen her at and to see what she was doing and then said that I'm free on Tuesday night if she wants to do something. I don't think she'll call back. She added me on Facebook, though, which is weird.
 
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