"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How young is too young?

Porky

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I'm 17 in June. The girl in question is 15 next Friday. I personally feel like this is too young. But, she's persistent.

And hot. Therein lies the problem. It seems to me that hot girls are a dime a dozen, but at the same time - why pass up a free hook up? She's already asked me to take her out a few times.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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no, although im a fine one too talk, if your asking questions about her age then no
 

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Well in my school we have the unwritten "4-year rule." It basically means that as long as you're in high school, it's okay to date anyone else in high school, so it'd be okay in your case. However, try not to even pay much attention to these rules, as a DJ is always breaking stupid social barriers. Bottom line: If you like her, go for it.
 

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Well in my school we have the unwritten "4-year rule." It basically means that as long as you're in high school, it's okay to date anyone else in high school, so it'd be okay in your case. However, try not to even pay much attention to these rules, as a DJ is always breaking stupid social barriers. Bottom line: If you like the girl, go for it.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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No you shouldnt you upperclassmen should stay away from the freshmen girls and leave them to us younger dj's! Think of all the poor 14 and 15 year old boy AFC's who your going to so easily take the girl of their dreams away from them!!

With all kidding aside, I dont think you should bother. Being that young she is probably still pretty immature and you certainly cant expect her to stay loyal to you, girls that age are either sluts or just huge flirts. I am 15 at the moment, 16 in summer, and thats about as young as i would go for girls as long as they are at least freshmen. I dont even bother with Jr high kids, maybe partly because my sister is one grade below me and i know what her friends are like and it would feel kind of odd dating someone the same age as my sister.

Also when i personally see like jr or sr's dating young girls i usually think of them as desperate, which obviously you arent so i suggest you go hit on someone with more on their chest than tissues. ;)

If she is really fun/funny/mature and cool to be with and has nice boobs, then what the hell go for it!
 

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Hey

Personally I don't like following rules that tell you who to date. So I always judge a girl independently from her age so I'd have to agree with Wonderbread.

However, if you still need a guidlene I can provide you with one. I don't remember where I read this (It must've been here) but there is a rule that states: "If she is any younger than half your age +7 years she is too young". Still I would go for Wonderbread's advice.

ALEXIS ZORBA
 

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No you shouldnt you upperclassmen should stay away from the freshmen girls and leave them to us younger dj's! Think of all the poor 14 and 15 year old boy AFC's who your going to so easily take the girl of their dreams away from them!!
I have a good friend. He's a freshman, this girl's age, a natural DJ. Great guy. He said the exact same thing to me, then said "but wait...after you guys break their hearts, they turn into *****s...so keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep getting blow jobs from 9th grade cast-aside sluts."

Amen :D

And, she's funny, hot, nice body, but immature. She'll ignore me for days at a time or talk to the aforementioned friend while completely ignoring me. When I show I don't care she eventually cracks and asks me out again. This would just be a hook up, nothing more.
 

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Originally posted by Porky
This would just be a hook up, nothing more.
What, you mean a one night stand? I wouldn't do that with someone so young, it's not good for your reputation in general.

My philosphy is that I still respect guys if they date girls two or more years younger than them, but I wouldn't do it myself. I'm seventeen. If the girl in question is not sixteen, it'll take a lot to make up for it. (It's possible though)

EDIT: I should note to frosh and sophs on the other hand that I am more than willing to go out with girls that are two, three, or even four years older than I am. You should be too, don't think they won't; often they will.
 

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snatch what are you talking about 4 years older then me , nah hell no my english teacher is hot (24) or so and id sure as hell tap that ass :)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Good rule I use is don't date any one 2 years above or below your age, So if you're 15 then don't date a girls under 13, or over 17. But thats at a push, I try to stick to my age or up, but it's all up to what you think! Don't go for girls more than 2 year older than you 'cuz they're a lot harder work in a way, it's all good there, but they expect a lot more and try to manipulate you if they can, but of course you don't let that happen!
 

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Hard enough to find chicks my age intellectually worthy, let alone younger.
 

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Haha. This girl's smart, but she's not an intellectual. I'm not going to pursue her, but I have a feeling that if she offers to hook up with me again I'll accept.
 

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In America, its 4 years difference....(WAY TOO LARGE A GAP!)

In Canada, its generally 2 years......


so you make the decision.........
 

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Most girls that young are immature and flakey

Example:

When I first began to start to get into DJing.(I am in tenth and she is in 8th) I use the common tactics of DJ. Get her number and everything went perfectly. Even started kissing within a half hour after meeting. Then bad stuff happens.

After a week of "going out". She breaks up with me out of the blue. Then she starts calling me, two days later ( I am see the number on the phone saying her name i have that WTF expression on my face) explaining the break-up. So I sit there and listen to it. She basically said I really like you but would you go out with my best friend. So I say "I dont care"

3 days later, the friend breaks up with me. I find out that the ex wants to go out with me. I say something to this "look I dont really care and I aint looking for a girlfriend anymore."

I dont care about them anymore because they turned out to be flakey and immature. I did call them that too.

One still wants to go out with me.

But I do say if she is really down to Earth and everything like that go for it.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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