"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How would you guys have handled this?

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I just put this to one of my lady friends (she is sweet and good to be with and not a princess type)

" Hypothetical -ok ? "

Me , " You are coming home from a date with a guy -second date. Your IL is high, about 8. You had a great night together and he pulls up outside yout house. You kiss and then you get out of his car and walk toward your gate. He drives off. What do you feel ? "

She," He is insensitive and uncaring about my safety."
Me, " Your interest level go up or down?"
She, " Down, definitely. This is how he behaves on our second date ?"
ME, "Hi quality guy or low ?"
She, " Low - he does not get us women at all. "
Me, "Attraction up or down?"
She , " Down to 4 "
Me, ." Another date ? "
She, " Maybe - he may be OK in other ways, but not really a girl's ideal man."

There you have it from a woman ..
 
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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jophil28 said:
I just put this to one of my lady friends (she is sweet and good to be with and not a princess type)

" Hypothetical -ok ? "

Me , " You are coming home from a date with a guy -second date. Your IL is high, about 8. You had a great night together and he pulls up outside yout house. You kiss and then you get out of his car and walk toward your gate. He drives off. What do you feel ? "

She," He is insensitive and uncaring about my safety."
Me, " Your interest level go up or down?"
She, " Down, definitely. THis is how her behaves on our second date ?"
ME, "Hi quality guy or low ?"
She, " Low - he does not get us women at all. "
Me, "Attraction up or down?"
She , " Down to 4 "
Me, ." Another date"
She, " Maybe - he may be OK in other ways but not really a girl's ideal man."

There you have it from a woman ..

She sounds like a princess, sorry but i dont agree with your assesment.
She also sounds high maintenance, it would be like walking on broken glass with a girl like this, sorry i would rather be single.

Thanks for sharing that though, it only confirms, dating women is about equal to putting a gun to your head with one bullet in the chamber and hoping when you pull a trigger it does not go off.

The day i listen to women with silly expectatons, is the day i stop dating! and become some 'friend'.
 

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This post is simply not about chivalry. Jonwon hit it on the money with his initial post. This is about insecurity. Insecurity is not mentioned very often on this site. Women have insecurity! Many times problems and breakups are not tests, lack of DJ'ing, or interest level. They are simply a factor of the girl's past experiences and insecurities.

Sure enough the same girl calls me on my home phone tonight. I pick up and say "Whose this?" (no caller ID). She says "You are kidding me right!". She gets mad and hangs up abruptly within a few minutes. We only had 2 dates! Now am i going to sit here and analyze what I did wrong? This is all about her insecurity.

Now think about it. Let's say you do a great job prizing yourself. Let's say you've been working out all your life and look good to boot. Couple this with a girl who is deeply insecure and what do you have? Now the roles are reversed. Should we put up a post how to unprize yourself? Because I bet you many times that is the case with alot of successful Dj's, the magical word insecurity. And yes great looking girls are generally more insecure than the average ones. How many hb9's do you know that have had eating disorders in the past? I know many! This is a major point that I don't see discussed here very often.
 

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jophil28 said:
I just put this to one of my lady friends (she is sweet and good to be with and not a princess type)

" Hypothetical -ok ? "

Me , " You are coming home from a date with a guy -second date. Your IL is high, about 8. You had a great night together and he pulls up outside yout house. You kiss and then you get out of his car and walk toward your gate. He drives off. What do you feel ? "

She," He is insensitive and uncaring about my safety."
Me, " Your interest level go up or down?"
She, " Down, definitely. THis is how her behaves on our second date ?"
ME, "Hi quality guy or low ?"
She, " Low - he does not get us women at all. "
Me, "Attraction up or down?"
She , " Down to 4 "
Me, ." Another date"
She, " Maybe - he may be OK in other ways but not really a girl's ideal man."

There you have it from a woman ..
Never ask advice from a woman. You know that!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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guru1000 said:
This post is simply not about chivalry. Jonwon hit it on the money with his initial post. This is about insecurity. Insecurity is not mentioned very often on this site. Women have insecurity! Many times problems and breakups are not tests, lack of DJ'ing, or interest level. They are simply a factor of the girl's past experiences and insecurities.

Sure enough the same girl calls me on my home phone tonight. I pick up and say "Whose this?" (no caller ID). She says "You are kidding me right!". She gets mad and hangs up abruptly within a few minutes. We only had 2 dates! Now am i going to sit here and analyze what I did wrong? This is all about her insecurity.

Now think about it. Let's say you do a great job prizing yourself. Let's say you've been working out all your life and look good to boot. Couple this with a girl who is deeply insecure and what do you have? Now the roles are reversed. Should we put up a post how to unprize yourself? Because I bet you many times that is the case with alot of successful Dj's, the magical word insecurity. And yes great looking girls are generally more insecure than the average ones. How many hb9's do you know that have had eating disorders in the past? I know many! This is a major point that I don't see discussed here very often.
Nice one, i think you just dodged a nagging demanding potential mate with this one, she sounds very controlling, putting the phone down on you is far ruder then letting her walk up her garden path alone.

She has Zero sense of humour, hence she would be OUT of the door faster then her cute little legs could take her.

At least now we can see this women has some issues, i think you assessed this situation perfectly, most men would have suplicated up to this shi* even alot of men on this forum believe it or not.

When you have the mentality life is good being single, you get women into your universe, your mental thinking, this is not being some abusive jerk this is simply not worrying about doing A with a women if you never knew A even existed, if they want to get flaky, ars8 bratty of make an issue out of it, that tells me there not the type of women for me at ALL.

I prefer my women to have fun, to not take life so seriously, to be able to enjoy themselves, to never EVER EVER nag me about anything, or if they do they do it in jest and i EXPECT 100% respect and this does not mean making me feel like shi* over something i have had no idea about.

I would have done the same thing and i have 4 girls on the go and they cant get enough, one of them is pritty hot, the other has such a cool attitude and the 3rd is simply a place holder who would walk over broken glass to let me fuc* her! And i would dump anyone of the tomorrow, as i KNOW there are plenty more where they came from, the only thing that is an issue is TIME and i think i have reduced my transition from one girl to the next by a good amount of time, if i dont 'so what' there is plenty of kick as* por* about! and loads of things to do.

i also have two more i can ring, that i KNOW i can hook up with, both are hot but both have very busy independent lifes so we hook up once ever now and then.

Some men value puss* far too highly and would jump through hoops like nice little monkeys to score it, or think thats what they need to do, most women have the decency to look at both sides and not get piss*, if anything this women should or i would have expected her, if it was an issue to state :

'Do you mind if you walk me to my door tonight'

or.

'you know i love it when a guy walks me to my house or front door'

Not nag you over something you had no concept of knowing you did wrong.

Question your actions with women you on a slippy slope, always be congurent with your actions even if you fuc*ed up.

There is a classic shaggy song.

'it wasn't me'
 

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jonwon said:
She sounds like a princess, sorry but i dont agree with your assesment.
She also sounds high maintenance, it would be like walking on broken glass with a girl like this, sorry i would rather be single.
This lady is No Princess buddy.
So you don't agree with MY assessment . What assessment ? Read the post again !! SHe gave me her take on this . I asked the questions,she replied.
Of course you did not like her replies-she contradicted every piece of advice that you gave the OP who seems to be dragging along behind you on this.
Maybe the two of you should just go out on dates with women who can get their dads to pick them up from the drive-thru at midnight.
 

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jophil28 said:
This lady is No Princess buddy.
So you don't agree with MY assessment . What assessment ? Read the post again !! SHe gave me her take on this . I asked the questions,she replied.
Of course you did not like her replies-she contradicted every piece of advice that you gave the OP who seems to be dragging along behind you on this.
Maybe the two of you should just go out on dates with women who can get their dads to pick them up from the drive-thru at midnight.
I sense a little frustration here.
 

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jophil28 said:
This lady is No Princess buddy.
So you don't agree with MY assessment . What assessment ? Read the post again !! SHe gave me her take on this . I asked the questions,she replied.
Of course you did not like her replies-she contradicted every piece of advice that you gave the OP who seems to be dragging along behind you on this.
Maybe the two of you should just go out on dates with women who can get their dads to pick them up from the drive-thru at midnight.
Maybe i should, save me the hassle of walking them up there garden path. At least they can't call me out on it, but girls like this will find something to moan about, they always do!

You can keep your girls, like this i would rather date others, seems we are after different types of women, hey fair play to you, like i stated in my other thread i prefer a women who does not 'nag' or call me on my shi* after one or two dates.
 
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