"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How To Win Friends And Influence People - VS - The 48 Laws Of Power

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This is for anyone who's read these two books. I'm about midway through both. Both are bestsellers and both more or less promote the same idea (at least what I'm getting out of them) - a rise to power in all aspects of life (= success). However, it seems they take somewhat different approaches.

How to Win Friends is all about being nice, this and that.

48 Laws is all about ruthlessness (with finesse).

Maybe they are actually one and the same and I'm missing the underlying concepts and their similarities, but some of the stuff seems contradictory. Can anyone elaborate?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I've read a bit of both, but in my opinion you can be both. Conidering being nice to win friends over, is the same as being manipulative.
 

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^ Right. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what I've read so far. Both contain many historical examples of successful people (rulers, emperors, contemporary succeess figures), yet they still seem to take a different approach, or at least they highlight and focus on different aspects.

For example, one of the more recent chapters I read in both dealt with enemies. How To Win Friends was all about disarming people and making enemies into friends, but it failed to address the issue that some people will still dislike you (for whatever reasons). 48 Laws, on the other hand, had a chapter specifically called "Crush your Enemies Completely".

I'm just a little confused.
 

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I think they are both useful, just know when to use them. The 48 Laws only comes in handy when you have an enemy or a situation that takes a lot of manipulation, like a problem boss or coworker.
 

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A balance of the two is what is most important.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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yea, i noticed a common trend in 48 laws of power and it was to be antisocial. It almost turns people introverted.
 

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If all you came away with from 48 Laws is ruthlessness, you missed the point. Robert Greene even goes into this in the preface; the laws are what they are, whether you employ them or not isn't the point. There are ethical considerations for all of the laws, but that doesn't diminsh the fact that they are laws. In other words, if you wont practice a certain law due to moral considerations, this is entirely acceptable, but you put yourself at a disadvantage if you don't understand the law itself when it's eventually used against you. Essentially if you have no understanding of the laws you're less able to defend yourself. I should also mention that at the end of most chapters is a counter or a reversal of that particular law.

48 Laws isn't an instruction manual on how to ruthlessly weild power - if anything it's how to do so responsibly - but, moreover, it is a reference book on how and why these laws functions. So you can play patsy with how to Influence people, but remember that to deemphasize or reject the role that power plays in life is in essence a method of using power.
 
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