MisterMcGee
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That is just common DJ knowledge with an analogy tacked on.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I think the heart of the phenomenon lies in that sentence.Wolf said:Like when you have oneitis and tons of hot girls want you but you are uninterested because you have oneitis.
Most men are interested in ways to get a woman they dont know like in a bar or club where other men are competing with you... ignoring her wont ever work unless you are a model or celebrity.magickarl said:^
I think a lot of the first line of my post was lost in translation:
"This only works if you already know the woman and see her pretty regularly"
I had been sleeping with this girl for two months, so there was already clear interest established between us both. The whole point of this was to show her that my time is a premium, and that I will not be expected to wait hand and foot on her. Also, I wanted to present the subtle message that my time is not a given, and she will have to compete and prove to me that my time is worth spending with her.
It places a higher value on me, and gives her a challenge at the same time.
BTW --- She was an HB8 - HB9. Not a perfect dime piece, but damned close.
DonGorgon said:right so this wont work at a bar with 50 men to each woman unless you are one of the most attractive there..
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
this thread is over 4 years old, how deep have you been digging?aleigh said:Okay, I registered on this site just because I had to respond to this thread. I'm a chick, and I have to say, tactics like these will only work on women with low self-esteem/self-worth.
Women who are attracted to men who play games, are women with low self-esteem. If you try playing games with a woman who knows, and values herself, she won't want any part of it-- it won't matter how interested she was in you!
I may have been really interested in you in the beginning, but if you start ignoring me, or switching gears, your actions aren't in line with your words, I'll take these as signals that you lack a genuine interest.
Sincerity goes a long way in attracting a quality woman.
LMFAO!!! :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:aleigh said:Sincerity goes a long way in attracting a quality woman.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
I don't know. It's easy for people to look at "ambiguous and indifference" and then not do anything at all. Hell, that's what I had been doing my whole life--just caring about other stuff other than women--and it never got me anywhere.stubbornlights said:I think the heart of the phenomenon lies in that sentence.
Everybody else has really covered it, and understands it, but it could be simplified further. In my experience, the two things at work here are...
INDIFFERENCE & AMBIGUITY
When you demonstrate no active interest in the outcome of your interactions, you convey a certain mystery, something that makes her restless. She can't pin down what your motives are, or even if you are seriously interested in her.
Females like to be the ones playing the games. They like to manipulate guys, putting them through various routines to analyze their behavior and determine whether or not they are of any interest. As men, if we want to be in control of the situation, we must be immune to this.
Alternate signs of interest and attraction with moments of sheer indifference. It will mess with her mind sooo much that she'll be forced to think about you constantly, trying to deconstruct you, to decipher your actions. This is good. The more you're on her mind, the better.
For women less inundated with hordes of men, it seems so much easier to run a normal seduction. I find that playing indifferent and ambiguous with them just complicates the interaction; I've had times when I've done this with girls, and they've completely given up on me, and weeks later, their friends will come up to me and confess that she was really into me, but felt like I was out of her league or didn't like her. Ooops. Lesson learned.
I definitely think this works best on the hotter chicks (9+). With them, assuming you've developed a modicum of rapport and can demonstrate shared interests, some form of basic connection, whatever, it almost feels easier, in my experience anyways, to act like this and to remove yourself from the pools of suitors that she's victim to. Make HER court you.
Any thoughts?
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Guys throw out HB8 ratings like it's nothing. Girl is probably a 6 at best. I've only seen a handful of 9s in person, but I guess I just look at more aesthetically than the average guy (hair length/style/color/texture, eye size and color, nails, weird veins/marks on skin, teeth, overall body proportion, facial structure, proportion of head to body, softness and color of skin, etc)magickarl said:^
I think a lot of the first line of my post was lost in translation:
"This only works if you already know the woman and see her pretty regularly"
I had been sleeping with this girl for two months, so there was already clear interest established between us both. The whole point of this was to show her that my time is a premium, and that I will not be expected to wait hand and foot on her. Also, I wanted to present the subtle message that my time is not a given, and she will have to compete and prove to me that my time is worth spending with her.
It places a higher value on me, and gives her a challenge at the same time.
BTW --- She was an HB8 - HB9. Not a perfect dime piece, but damned close.
goldengoose said:Then when you start hanging out with her again her interest will go back down to 0.
When her interest level is low you are doing something wrong. Ignoring her isn't some magical fix that will solve your all problems.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.