How to Properly conduct a Freeze Out

[Bace]

So lets say your looking down the line and you see a possible LJBF rejection buffer coming up due to high flake rate or continued high flake rate so you want to pre-emptively counter it with a freezeout, i don't yet see how freezeouts can be conducted in an Alpha mindset:

My thinking:
-Freezeouts show you are temperamental
- Uncalibrated freezeouts show you are not part of the game/imposter
- Shows you have a low tolerance for flaking (Which i do)

Explanations/ In before obvious answers:
-Its a numbers game
- Freezeouts imply you have a lot going on and don't have time for her bs
- Freezeouts imply non-neediness (the crux of freezeout game)

So my question is mostly focused on how to reengage after a freezeout, typically when a girl would ask how you are, why you didnt call then the single '?' text, which indicates interest/frustration/annoyance, i dont really know to be honest. BUT, do you go like high-energy like an old friend so haven't heard from, do you go neutral as in a buddy 'wat up' kinda thing or do you go low vibe like 'yh i been super busy lately'.

I believe freezeouts are as much a mentality as to what to say to rengage so both points are of interest to me. If you have real world examples all the better.

 

[Maximus Rex]

You're Hella Confused, Bruh

So lets say your looking down the line and you see a possible LJBF rejection buffer coming up due to high flake rate or continued high flake rate so you want to pre-emptively counter it with a freezeout, i don't yet see how freezeouts can be conducted in an Alpha mindset

A freeze out won't work, because as you put it, a " preemptive counter," to a LJBF, because the chick isn't emotionally invested in you. The chick merely sees you as a "legionnaire in her legion of followers." If she isn't going to get her attention fix from you, she'll just get it elsewhere. For example, ya boy and "T.H.Y.C.E.A.C.." Since being "promoted," to "centurion," in her legion for followers, Rex hasn't spoken to T.H.Y.C.E.A.C. since last Thursday. You can easily say that Rex, is "freeezing," T.H.Y.C.E.A.C., out, but do you actually think she cares that she hasn't spoken to ya boy? No she doesn't. She's getting her attention fixes from other sources.

My thinking:
-Freezeouts show you are temperamental

A freeze out is a tool used to correct a woman's bad behavior. Explain to ole Rex how setting boundaries can be construed as being temperamental?

- Uncalibrated freezeouts show you are not part of the game/imposter[/b]

There's one of the mods responded to one of my threads (or posts,) with something to the effect of Rex, that's why I like your threads. There based on actual experiences as opposed to some esoteric brand of pick up theory. Dude, please shout yourself out, so I can quote you, because Bace is obviously referencing one of those, esoteric brands of pick up theory," you were talking about.

Dude, :cuss: is a "uncalibrated freeze out?" There's nothing unintentional or "uncalibrated about a freeze out.

- Shows you have a low tolerance for flaking (Which i do)

Okay, finally something that makes sense.

-Its a numbers game

It is and it isn't. The point of this site and (ones like it,) is to improve your skill set to the point of having better than average results in the field. If this were truly a "numbers game," then the Seduction Community wouldn't exist.

So my question is mostly focused on how to reengage after a freezeout, typically when a girl would ask how you are, why you didnt call then the single '?' text, which indicates interest/frustration/annoyance, i dont really know to be honest. BUT, do you go like high-energy like an old friend so haven't heard from, do you go neutral as in a buddy 'wat up' kinda thing or do you go low vibe like 'yh i been super busy lately'.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=211040

I've notice in recent weeks that dudes have confused two similar but very different PUA tactics, those being the "The Freeze Out," and No Contact. While both a shotgun and rifle are both firearms and can work in regards to killing your target, both of these weapons are used for entirely different situation, so are The Freeze Out and N/C. Here I will explain the difference between both tactics and hopefully bring some clarity to the issue.

The Freeze Out

If you remember in The Game Style and Mystery would have problems overcoming last minute resistance and were perplexed on how to overcome it. Eventually Mystery figured out a chick's emotions and her state of sexual arousal were at a fever pick, however despite being ever so horny her anti-slut defense would kick in and prevent her from wanting to give you some. Various methods were used to try to overcome LMR, anger, sadness, sulking, and finally they figured out that indifference was the best method to overcome LMR. As Mystery put it, a chick would be enjoying those "good feelings," and she would want them to return, eventually, she would give in to sex.

However, it was also discovered, that The Freeze Out could be used to correct a chick's bad, undesirable, and insolent behavior. When a chick did something that was untoward, you simply withdraw your attention. You don't get mad or should any attitude about it, you simply don't pay her any attention. The chick will intuitively know something was amiss and she would inquire about it, to which you could check her right there (it whatever she did wrong warranted immediate correction,) or you discuss what she did at a later date.

No Contact

No Contact is used when you're as Boyz II Men would say, "you're at the end of the road." No Contact isn't used to "get her back," or used as mechanism to correct bad behavior, because let's face it, if you've let her run a muck for "x" amount of months without correction, discipline, or punishment, even if she was to become back, all she's going to do is do the same dumb weak a$$ sh* that she was doing before you decided to go N/C.

No Contact is the process that you use to mentally and psychology remove your ex from your life. This includes deleting her, her relatives, and friends, from you social media contacts, (e.g. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and your phone.) and putting her, her relatives and friends numbers on call blocking app.

Returning her belongings to her, dropping them to one of relatives or friends or if she doesn't want to pick up her stuff, getting rid of it.. Avoiding places that as a couple you guys use to frequent. Avoiding places that her or friends go to. No Contact is about making the only way you'll see you ex is by chance meeting someplace or for her to physically come to your job, home, gym, or someplace she knows you frequent.

No Contact is the slow arduous process of removing a chick from your life who not only gave you head (like she made it up) who knew how to squeeze her p*ssy muscles so that you when you nutted you were acting as if you were one of those old ladies who was catching the Holy Ghost in church, when you nutted , who could bake the f*ck out of some mac and cheese, how knew when a blitz was coming, or enjoy this month's issue of Action Comics, but No Contact is about mentally and psychologically, (and maybe even spiritually) breaking the ties of a woman who you not only had on pedestal, but you truly with every fiber of your being loved and cared for.

That's what makes No Contact so hard, because initially it seems you have to for every week, day, minute, and second during the early days of that breakup resist the urge to contact her, because to contact would eliminate all of the process you made in hopes of grasping at something that isn't there.

Rex is lucky in the respect that he has no problems with turning his back on a b*tch. Rex's life experiences with broads who told him that it's an exercise in futility to chase after women who have expressed an explicit desire not to be with him. Besides, I'm a very prideful individual, I have to be able to look in the mirror and know that when I dealt with a female, I did it with pride and dignity. You guys should feel the same way too, chicks are trying to f*ck with dudes who cried, groveled, demeaned themselves in other to get their love, sex, and attention. Just because you lose a chick doesn't mean you have to lose your self-respect.

If you have real world examples all the better.

Episode 114: Is It OK to Tell a Girl You’re Seeing Other Women? (A Personal Story)

http://www.stoplosingwomen.com/page/3/

 

[Bace]

Thanks (i think)

But what your post showed me is that communication (frame) needs to be strong from the outset, which it hasn't been in my case. More a non-verbal shunning or freezing out in the attempt at eliciting stronger commitment to future engagements, but i have a feeling you're going to say, that's not how it works.

I typed in THYCEAC and it came up with some thyroid cancer thing, so hopefully if i hang around here enough i'll get to know the quirks and references. I know, use the search right.

Since im hitting up 5-6s i doubt they have a legion, more like 3 max, but i have a strong feeling of alpha widowry for this one case, but thats another story.

Didn't think the words uncalibrated and freeze out would ruffle too many anti pua-lingo types but could be wrong. It simply means freezing out a girl out-of-context/not setting a strong enough frame for it to be recognised as a freeze-out. Not referencing anyone with this, but i think i know the source you are thinking of.

In any case when i write something under 'my thoughts' of course they're going to be esoteric in nature and non field tested, otherwise named 'my experiences'.

I think what this boils down to is:
- Freezeouts work best when emotional attachment has already been established
- Don't/You can't use them in the pre-emptive flake toolbox
(What can you use: counter-flake is a common one, possibly more qualifying)

I suppose the take away point would be 'create a stronger emotional attachment before trying to use freezeouts'

Correct me if i'm wrong and continue to call me out on my BS, it helps everyone involved.

 

[nismo-4]

Breaking up is easy to do, you just do it.

 

[Bace]

You misunderstand sir. The whole point of this strategy is to elicit stronger commitments to future engagements and decrease flake rate.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Hopes This Clears Things Up for You

Thanks (i think)

But what your post showed me is that communication (frame) needs to be strong from the outset,

Well, duh. Setting a good precedent is of paramount important when dealing with a chick, (or anybody in that case.) It sets up how your interaction, (and therefore your relationship,) is going to progress.

More a non-verbal shunning or freezing out in the attempt at eliciting stronger commitment to future engagements, but i have a feeling you're going to say, that's not how it works.

It depends when you're doing the non-verbal shunning. Again, the freeze out is a tool that's used when you want to correct a chick's bad behavior or she's being disrespectful. The severity and the extent of the freeze out incumbent upon the level of the chick's bad behavior and disrespect. It's analogous to training a puppy. Say Krypto growls at a some kids. You're not going to pop him on the nose for that. You're going to chastise and tell him, No. However if Krypto urinates on your brand new carpet, you going to but his nose it, tell him, No, bad dog. a firm voice, then show him where you want him to relieve himself.

The same principle applies to a chick. Say she's fifteen minutes late for a date. You walk out and explain to her that you find it EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL that she would have such a caviler attitude towards you and your time and that you'll see her, when you see her, then bounce. You proceed to freeze her out for a few days as to show her that type of behavior CANNOT and most importantly, WILL NOT be tolerated on your part.

The classic example for the freeze out (and which the technique was developed,) was as a means to overcoming last minute resistance. You're about to get to know her carnally, then her anti-slut defenses come into play. You withdraw your attention, do other things, and re engage foreplay until you find yourself enjoying the moistness of her vaginal canal, she's reaching for nothing, and calling for the Lord.

Since im hitting up 5-6s i doubt they have a legion, more like 3 max, but i have a strong feeling of alpha widowry for this one case, but thats another story.[/b]

Dude, you'll be surprised. Think of all of the dudes that have the same mindset that you have that are also hollerin' at 5's and 6's. That's big part of the problem, dudes that waste their time inflating the egos of average women thinking that they would be easier to pull.

According to PUA gurus, the hotter chicks are actually EASIER[/I] to pull because less dudes are trying to holla. The only guys that seem to holla at them tend to be jerks.

Todd Interviews Erika Jordan: A Woman's Perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wbo7XbBHJA

In this video, the chick Todd is interviewing talks about how she has spent holidays and birthdays alone because people just assumed that her calendar is full. After viewing this video, I realized that women, (especially hot ones,) are thirsting for good game and you can be the guy that gives them that game.

You deserve and more importantly you're ENTITLED to be with hot, attractive women. The time and effort that you're spending to learn these techniques and strategies should only be used on WORTHY females. Believe it or not, the same effort that you're putting into hollerin' at 5's and 6's is the same effort you're going to use to pull 8's and up.

Didn't think the words uncalibrated and freeze out would ruffle too many anti pua-lingo types but could be wrong.

Dude, this site exists because of the PUA Movement and anybody who would be offended, shouldn't be on this board, however, the verbiage might be a be a bit over the top. Then again this is coming from a person who refers to himself in the third person.

It simply means freezing out a girl out-of-context/not setting a strong enough frame for it to be recognised as a freeze-out.

We know what a freeze out is, bruh.

In any case when i write something under 'my thoughts' of course they're going to be esoteric in nature and non field tested, otherwise named 'my experiences'.

Don't do that, the mods will close you're thread. Inside joke.

I think what this boils down to is:
- Freezeouts work best when emotional attachment has already been established

Correct.

- Don't/You can't use them in the pre-emptive flake toolbox
(What can you use: counter-flake is a common one, possibly more qualifying)

You "counter a flake by not giving a chick a reason to flake on you and that goes back to establishing good precedents and showing her that you're somebody will provide, protect, and somebody she can have a good time with.

I suppose the take away point would be 'create a stronger emotional attachment before trying to use freezeouts'

Yes, but women will still try you.

Correct me if i'm wrong and continue to call me out on my BS, it helps everyone involved.

Oh best believe Rex will, he will. Good luck.

 

[RagingBalls]

Just because you lose a chick doesn't mean you have to lose your self-respect.

I agree. Right on dude.

 

[VladPatton]

If she's not attracted to you you can cut your balls off in front of her and she won't give two soggy shıts. In fact, no technique works if there is zero attraction. You'll be thinking you're super slick all the while you're not even a blip on her sexual radar.

One must direct his energy in the proper direction.

 

[El Payaso]

To properly conduct a freeze-out, you simply move on to other girls or focus on other more interesting things in your life. Simple. A freeze-out doesn't work if your mind is still on her.

 

[Bace]

If she's not attracted to you you can cut your balls off in front of her and she won't give two soggy shıts. In fact, no technique works if there is zero attraction. You'll be thinking you're super slick all the while you're not even a blip on her sexual radar.

One must direct his energy in the proper direction.

To properly conduct a freeze-out, you simply move on to other girls or focus on other more interesting things in your life. Simple. A freeze-out doesn't work if your mind is still on her.

Two valid points however El Pay imo you are too reductionist, what you describe is simply NEXTing, nice try though.
VP this is the age old DD 'attraction is not a choice' philosophy iirc.

It seems we are hitting a stalemate because:
-My emotional investment is higher than hers
- The frame was not set up at the start, more a go with the flow thing
- Bad comms, more a 'she doesnt call for 4 days so i dont call for 2 weeks' kind of thing, where does that get anyone. Nowhere fast.

I am still gaming but it will be interesting seeing how this develops, i'll hopefully remember to write here how it turns out. I am moving in 3 months anyway, and when i do i am going to nuke the whole city (metaphorically of corse mods) with sarging a week before.