How to Handle Polish Girl - Need Expert Advice

[Reyaj]

I am curious to see your thoughts on this situation I have going on with this polish girl.... I am posting this in the mature forum because I think I would be more likely to get "mature" advice rather than the typical "Next!"

So about 2 months ago I was out at this popular lounge.... me and my friend ended up chatting up these 2 polish girls.... one was clearly into me as she kept trying to talk but the other one wasn't into my friend at all... but my friend hung in there and winged for me and I was able to get the girl's #

So that same night I sent a "nice meeting you" text and she responded back with "aw same here"

I end up calling her a few days later and because both our weeks were hectic we end up making plans for the following week.

So that following week we went to a mexican restaurant and got some drinks and appetizers.... now because we sat at a table it really wasn't conducive for doing kino... but I ran my talk game... mainly listening to what she was saying.... we would make eye contact but at times she would kind of shyly look away.... Now during our conversation she did say something that would have detered me in the past.... I am paraphrasing here but she said something along the lines of "well now you have a new friend" I smiled and really just ignored the statement (the old me would have assumed I was in the friend zone, been bitter and probably never bothered with her again if not tell her off lol) But anyway we continued talking... Now when it was time to leave, I actually used the restroom and when I came back to the table she said she had paid the bill and smiled.... I offered her money but she insisted on paying and basically said I could just get it next time....

Well when we left the restaurant I started trying to do some kino by observing a scar on her arm and rubbing it... she didn't shy away at all.... She even said she would explain the scar but she didn't know how to say it in English.... She said she would look it up and text me...... Well anyway I drop her home and she immediately turns her cheek so the kiss close wasn't there...

When I got home I received a text from her explaining the scar on her arm with a "" She actually looked it up right after our date and texted me...

Ok so over the course of that next week or so we traded text messages and talked on the phone a few times... We ended up making plans for the following week.... but because she had to meet her friend (I didn't find out about this till we met up that night) we met up at that same restaurant and basically did the same thing...... I paid this time... and she kept saying the next time we were definitely going to go out drinking and be together longer... I told her I was flying out on business for the weekend and I would contact her when I got back. So again the kiss close wasn't there so I kissed her cheek again and that was it....

Now I did an afc after this..... but the reason I am doing so many afc (or what this board classifies as afc) is because I don't want to waste my time. If a girl doesn't have high IL then I don't have the time in my life to try to build it...... But anyway what I did was text her that night saying something like "I had a really nice time seeing you tonight " Something like that...... Well she never responded to it....

But the next day she texts me "have a safe flight" I didn't text back..... so later on that night she texted me "hey did you get in ok?" I didn't respond to it either since I was preoccupied

So a few days later I texted her saying that everything was fine, I was back home, and my phone died... She didn't respond to me

I think I called her the next day... she didn't answer but called me back hours later and we literally talked for 2 minutes before she said "hey can I call you right back" I said sure..... but she never called me back..

The next day she texted me late in the afternoon "hey sorry I couldnt call you back I got so busy, I will call you later" I responded back "its no problem, I'm sure real housewives were on " She responded back "lol yes I always watch it, but I've been busy too"

So as this is a few weeks ago my memory is a bit hazy... but I think she called and we talked for a bit... she explained her week was really busy but next week would be good to make plans....

Ok so last week I think I called her like on Tuesday... the phone rang and she didn't answer.... In the past she had called me back right away but this time no... At this point I literally said "Next!" Only because I don't have the time or care to chase anyone at this point....... So the whole week went by and I really didn't give her much thought.....

Ok, so last night around 10pm as I am dosing off she calls me.... I really didn't have the energy to talk so I just let it go to VM..... to my surprise she actually did leave 1.... I just checked it a few minutes ago

She said on my voice mail "hey I am sorry I never returned your call from last week, right now my life has been so hectic. If you want you can call me or text me, but if you don't want to I understand" Her voice did sound kind of sad and remorseful for whatever thats worth...


So thats basically the story up to now..... Do I have a shot with this girl? If so what would you recommend?

 

[PokerStar]

im no expert but i think you should give her another chance before you next her.

so next time you see her or make a date, do it like its the very last time you are ever going to see her.

that way you can guage her interest level.

BTW, im working on a polish chick myself. I even went onto learning a few words and phrases in polish.

STOLAT!!

 

[jophil28]

Only date high interest level girls- but there may be some kind of cultural quirk in this situation which is creating her coyness and apparent coolness..

If I were you I would think up a date idea which required her to put herself out quite a bit to meet up with you. A woman who is really interested is more likely to be willing to make some sacrifices and put in an effort to go out with you.

I have done this several times with women who appeared to be lukewarm and I was surprise by the result. Most got with the program and those who didn't were tossed away.
If she hemms and haws or makes some feeble excuses then you know what to do .

 

[Kailex]

Stop the dinner thing.
Stop putting a table between the two of you.

Am I correct in that both times you two have gone out, it's for food?
She said it herself: Next time drinks and for a longer time.

So, that's what you do now.
I know you have your MAIN situation going on, which means that you aren't too invested into this girl, so why not? If she's reaching out to you, it's because she's interested in you asking her out.

Like Jophil said, if she hemms and haws, then you know your answer.
Like Judge Nismo says: Strike while the iron is hot.

But stop with the "food thing", that will get the friend vibe across if you keep doing it like that. If anything, I'd say that the next date should be a last chance at you ramping up the kino and hitting up the ultimate goal. So, in essence, you have absolutely nothing to lose as long as you give it one more, fair shot at something NOT involving a table sitting in between the two of you.

 

[Reyaj]

Thanks for the fast replies guys! Jophill I am definitely going to do that... PokerStar what does that mean in polish? haha

Kailex

Great advice as always. Fwiw, going to eat was not my idea... I always proposed drinks but when we got there she ended up ordering food... I didn't want the table between us.. I even suggested sitting at the bar but she said she preferred the table... I will try and give it one more shot and definitely do the drink thing and going for a hook up... Kailex you understand my situation better than anyone.. so you know why I have time constraints... My weekend is devoted to my main situation.... so I really only have tonight or maybe late next week to do it...

Would you call her back fast? Text her back and ask her? I know she is at work now... so she probably can't answer the phone... I think I answered my own question. I will text her right now with "Hey I got your voicemail, I've been very busy myself. If you are free maybe we can meet up later, if not hopefully next week"

 

[Kailex]

Would you call her back fast? Text her back and ask her? I know she is at work now... so she probably can't answer the phone... I think I answered my own question. I will text her right now with "Hey I got your voicemail, I've been very busy myself. If you are free maybe we can meet up later, if not hopefully next week"

NO tentativeness. NO maybes.

"I'm free (Insert date here) and we should meet up for a few drinks at (Insert time here)."

Then gauge her reaction.

I know your situation, so you have no reason to be hung up on this girl at all. She's just passing through for you, at best. So, give it one more chance. See what happens. Worst case scenario: Nothing comes out of this and you move on in your life.

 

[Reyaj]

ok sent the text.. she responded back saying she is free tonight but she has to be home at 9pm cause she told her friend to pick up something. She countered with tomorrow night.... What should I do?

 

[PokerStar]

hey jayer,

stolat is like saying happy bday or its some sorta celebration song. Its weird, they sing the song at bdays and at weddings.

these polish people are always doing things backwards jk

yeah i actually took the time to learn the tune so I could sing it to one of my polish plates on her bday.

She was quite impressed.

this is what it sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N2OrcMNNE4

 

[cordoncordon]

ok sent the text.. she responded back saying she is free tonight but she has to be home at 9pm cause she told her friend to pick up something. She countered with tomorrow night.... What should I do?

You're already in a LTR right? So why are you so hung up about some random girl? If she wants to go out and have fun fine, if not, that's fine too.

I would just call her and ask her out, FOR DRINKS. If she at all hesitates. Goodbye.

 

[Reyaj]

Pokerstar they definitely do things backwards but they are smoking hot lol....

Concordon agreed... I'm not hung up on it... just wanted to maximize my chances by getting advice on it. I have plenty of field reports I could post about random girls....

Anyway just to update... I actually had plans tomorrow so I told her and she countered again with Monday. I might give her a call later and see. The thing is I have a lot of things going on in my life right now so I probably may lose this one and others (which I have trust me) based on that alone. I will keep every1 posted

 

[cordoncordon]

Pokerstar they definitely do things backwards but they are smoking hot lol....

Concordon agreed... I'm not hung up on it... just wanted to maximize my chances by getting advice on it. I have plenty of field reports I could post about random girls....

Anyway just to update... I actually had plans tomorrow so I told her and she countered again with Monday. I might give her a call later and see. The thing is I have a lot of things going on in my life right now so I probably may lose this one and others (which I have trust me) based on that alone. I will keep every1 posted

I would be more interested in how you are juggling all of these other random girls while also staying in a LTR without getting caught.

 

[PokerStar]

Pokerstar they definitely do things backwards but they are smoking hot lol....

oh hell yeah they are
met this next polish chick and she loves brazilian jiu jitsu and jungle/drum and bass
we talk about our classes and techniques.
gonna hook up with her next friday after work
hopefully i ll get in to her gaurd for 10 minutes or so.

 

[DJDamage]

So thats basically the story up to now..... Do I have a shot with this girl? If so what would you recommend?

From personal experience, the longer you let time pass without any sort of progress, the harder it is to create any more excitment with in the girl thus her interests in you either plateau's or falls down completly. From what you wrote I just don't see that you were able to increase interest in the girl after your initial meeting.

She said on my voice mail "hey I am sorry I never returned your call from last week, right now my life has been so hectic. If you want you can call me or text me, but if you don't want to I understand" Her voice did sound kind of sad and remorseful for whatever thats worth...?

I call bullsh1t on this message.

A girl with high interest calls as soon as she can when she misses a call, no one's life is that hectic to not make a call! the hectic excuse is the biggest crock of sh1t excuse that is being used now a days.

I say you have more chances in hooking up with a new random girl then this one.

 

[Strelok]

The fact that she is polish could backfire if you both live in Usa.
I'm sure even Roosh explained how girls that are sweet and submissive in their countries become even worse than american girls while moved,mostly cause they are more attractive and more exotic and target of more men.

I'm not polish myself but very close to the place and the language and I had the chance to observe many girls met there that were moved to other places due to our job,hey are not used to be courted by afcs so most of the times when they meet any in the western world the thing is so lovely that they keep them around even if they have no interested in romance.
I even heard girls telling me that they(afcs)are like kids to hug.

It's not like a western girl that doesn't reply to an afc phone call,they actually reply cause it's something new to them,they completely behave as western girl only after enough months,they are not used to be completely impolite mostly cause they are not allowed at home while teen.
Not all the girls in the world are used to be flattered everyday,so it is great for them when it happen.

It's just like an afc moving in Russia,he won't stop being and afc after 5 days,he will do after his mindset will change because of the new success and the lack of rejection.
In fact most of the western men I see here with girls only waste time and money as afc style and most of the times don't get as much sex as they would,it needs time to change probably months.

So the only thing I feel to suggest you is to avoid anything afc,even the lesser ones and go straight to the point.
This is my opinion,of course I don't know all the environments but what I said,regards ee girls from middle-low class that get the chance to move west.

Finally It's sto lat,they are two words,it means 100 years and you can hear it very often during birthday parties or while drinking,dunno if you have anything similar in usa.

 

[Reyaj]

I would be more interested in how you are juggling all of these other random girls while also staying in a LTR without getting caught.

It is not easy man.... I basically give my LTR priority which is why I probably haven't cashed in on a lot of girls I meet. However I still see how dense and selfish a lot of them are so I definitely feel like I am making the right move, and it does make me appreciate my LTR more.

That being said, the key is all about knowing how to schedule... My philosophy is if they come easy and fit my schedule then why not.. but I won't break my regular life to game some girl...

Pokerstar thats awseome! Where are you meeting these beauties? What area are you from?

DJDamage I agree with you.. which is why i was hesitant to even bother... but has been responding back to my texts fast today and offering up counters... She may have just been playing a game and when she realized it didn't work on me decided to be more available... then again she is polish lol... maybe the regular rules don't apply

Strelok so you are basically saying these eastern european girls just like the attention?? I will definitely go for some kind of hook-up next time.. and I will keep you all posted

 

[Strelok]

Strelok so you are basically saying these eastern european girls just like the attention?? I will definitely go for some kind of hook-up next time.. and I will keep you all posted

It's not that simple,everyone loves attentions,its just that most girls from ee are not used to that kind of attention that western women get,the afcs are as common as west in ee,women are not pedistalled that easy,in fact are expected to act politely,you will hardly find a girl humiliating a guy or her bf in public and walk as if nothing happened,hell it just don't happen at first.

So they feel some kind of gratitude for those giving to them even if they are not romantically interested,western women just take it from granted and feel entitled cause they are used since childhood,it's not anything new just the rule.

 

[Sandow]

Yea there's a shot at getting her if you keep chasing her. But I thought you said you were over that. It's gonna take some work, and you are gonna get a lot of the same behavior form her, so if you wanna go down that route...

She may be telling the truth about being busy all the time, partially. From what it sounds like, she is already seeing someone (or more). This is typical behavior from a girl who's seeing multiple people, spinning plates as we like to call it. We act the same way when we're spinning our plates. Like everyone else here has said, if she had high IL or you were the ONLY one she was seeing, she'd be returning you calls right away and not flaking.

Anyhow, you're probably gonna have to work for this one. In my experience, shady/unpredictable girls usually stay that way, they don't really change. So you have to ask yourself if that's the kind of girl you wanna be with.

 

[Desdinova]

If I don't get a kiss by the end of the second date, I usually write the girl off.

You guys do a lot of talking and texting. Put that to use and do some FLIRTING over those mediums instead of talking about mundane 5hit.

And you need more Kino!!! Put her hair into your hands and admire it's beauty. Accidently touch her neck.

 

[ATX1001]

My ex-wife was Polish and all I can say is if she shows any signs of craziness, run! run for the hills!

Most Polish women are never ****ing happy. They complain about everything, they turn it into an art-form. They always want more, more, more.. and it's difficult to explain, it's not like it's a "I'm happy with what I have now but I always want to improve", which would be fine.. it's more like "What I have now is ****, I have to improve and you have to help me".

That and all the ones I met treated their husbands/boyfriends like ****, so keep on your toes. If course it wasn't all like that when you first meet them.

Most Polish are catholic with various levels of 'strictness' so keep that in mind too.

I learned a few words, but the ones I used the most in Poland (visited 5-6 times) were (written phonetically) "nie movie-ow pol pol-sku" or "I don't speak Polish".

 

[Desdinova]

She did not want to feel obligated in any way. Taking turns to pay is something friends do.

I'd have to disagree with the whole issue of her paying. When a woman has high IL, she will just go up and pay. I've had this happen many times with women who were high IL, and I believe this polish girl DID have high IL in the beginning.