How to go to a woman's apartment you've meet from net?

[Luke Skywalker]

Alright to give some background with my online prospects.

A couple of them live in their own apartments.

There is this one 34 y/o old woman I meet this week who has large boobs (I'm a bit of a boob man) that has turned me on a bit that I kissed and I know she likes the movie matrix and wanted to see two sequels of it. I have copies of it, and was thinking of bringing it up on a future date to see it with her, since it would seem more spontaneous and/or less creepy to suggest an 'indoor' date after just an initial meet-up and feel lost about it)

I want to make up a situation where I'll end up in their apartment, on a couch, cuddling while watching a DVD movie (and goes without saying, making out and initiating sex)

The proposed idea to do that, is to take them out on a normal public date, and then surprise them with the DVD movie and suggest it is watched at their place to stage some sort of isolation.

Do people ask women directly to go to their apartments or place, or is it simply staged as a spontenous action arising from a normal 'public' date (say 4 hours to build rapport on an activity date or some other like date). How much trust has to be built up before that threshold is reached that they will trust you for a real isolate like that?

 

[Adakkon]

It's a bit odd to me to bring the movies along then suggest you go to her place to watch them. Why not just bring up the topic that you have them into conversation and ask if she'd like to come over to your place and watch them? Is something wrong with your apartment/living area? I've invited women to come up to my room a few times to watch movies after hanging out with them at parties if things were clicking, the good thing is that if they say yes, it usually is implied that you aren't actually going to be watching a movie, but rather having sex.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

No, my living situation here is not condusive to bringing anyone here. I live with my parents, and they are rather strict about who I'm even dating. The topic was brought up in the first meeting where I told her I watched Matrix: Revolutions, and she told me she would love to see that movie and Matrix: Reloaded, and watch it with her sister or something. However, knowing she wants to see the movie, and possessing the movies leads to the obvious question - or perhaps it would be too forward and the anti-slvt defence is going to kick in about letting a stranger you just meet off the internet come through your door will not work as it's an obvious implication of sex involved.


There is no solution to this then I guess? If she cant come here, and we are talking about a second date or even third one, then how would a move to isolate work out?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Ok, is this a 'suave' type of issue, where there is a certain way or game of isolation to get there?

or is it a more natural type of thing - where based on interest level, and amount of times you are dating her, she'll naturally develop enough trust of knowing you and it will just work itself off naturally in that department? Thus I'd just be working on dating more often and then work on isolation once there is enough comfort and trust built up. Conceptually I'd think you'd have to wait for five dates if you are uncomfortable around women (like I am) in the first place, in order to get comfortable and all that, and to know a person better, and thus focus on quantity of dates as opposed to isolation as that would naturally come down the road once someone is more comfortable. My line of thinking would suspend any isolation concept or 'sex-related' concept until at least five dates with the SAME person has been dispensed. I think I'm jumping the gun on myself and this is a mental fantasy that's way too advanced for where I'm actually at.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Just read the "HTSWW" book. To work on the anti-slvt defence, you generally have to spend a bit of time with a woman in order to get into her pants so she'd have a 'justification' to cooperate or initiate. Thus, it would be foolish to suggest to go to her place off the bat, but if I were to be suave about it to aim to get there on a second date (or really first date since the first time on the internet face-to-face is more of a meeting than a date), and the situation will NATURALLY lead itself there if everything is going right as the woman is equally or more 'sexual' and will herself be providing the opportunities of isolation - and if I dont worry about it, it should turn that way naturally.

Since I've never been on a second-seduction date format with everyone and dont understand woman's sexuality, I may as well just take it easy on this one for now and put it somewhere in the back of mind until I'm more used to dating women.

 

[md3sign]

Luke ... if only you could channel your energy into actually interacting with women rather than talking about the mundane.

I don't get it though, did you actually meet this woman in person already? If so, what was it like?

If not, a first date where you bring 2 movies to watch at her place is waaaay too overt. If you manage to get a girl to take you back to her place on the first date ... well then you wouldn't be posting as much as you do here.

I really don't mean to be condescending, but I've read some of your stuff and seriously ... you need to stop thinking so much about all this crap and just go out there and interact with these girls. Right now you're being your own worst enemy by thinking so much about things that as experience will teach you, are very simple to begin with.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke ... if only you could channel your energy into actually interacting with women rather than talking about the mundane.

I don't get it though, did you actually meet this woman in person already? If so, what was it like?

I've meet them in person from the net. Two people were meet from the net.
At first, my goal was simply to get a kiss close at the end of the date since I never kissed anyone before and left it like that. I've kissed two different people now and consider both a success since I got what I wanted (ie a kiss close). I kissed both of them at the end of each of the dates so the date was a success from that standpoint - or they wouldn't have let me kiss them, more than once.

So far you've just advised to INTERACT AND DO ANYTHING, sort of advice.
My interactions are going to be on cell phone and away from the internet, and the only interaction I know about is setting up a future date because I'm phone shy and tend to focus on interacting solely on the point of spending further time with them. That much I already know about - so I guess, in order for further quality interaction, I'd just have to set up another date and think of a good type of date, right?

 

[md3sign]

Luke if they're still interested, just set up another date already. Do something fun. Take advantage of the winter - take her ice skating. It's cheap, you can get lots of kino in, it's fun, and you're doing something rather than sitting around.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Thanks for the tip.

It's sort of leaning on the direction that I originally thought, and even what the books say. Continue going out on some sort of activity date - which are really extended opportunities of interaction and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Last Man Standing]

First get a feel of how well she likes you and if she is comfortable with you - look at their body language and listen to their words. If she is 34 years old then I'm sure she's been alone with guys before so it will happen but she must trust you to bring you to her place. Have another date and then at the date mention that the next time you meet it should be to watch the movie at her place and see what she says.

 

[md3sign]

Oops I missed the part about her being 34. How old are you? If you're a lot younger, she only wants 1 thing out of you, in which case ice skating might not be such a good idea, as she probably doesn't want to be seen out in public with you (for her own obvious reasons).

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

Number 1: Let the thought of sex leave your mind entirely.
That doesn't mean don't be sexual. It just means if your goal is to have sex on your date then I can guarantee you are not going to have sex. Atleast not untill you really understand seduction or are with a complete slut.

Number 2: Before you even TRY to isolate, you must build her comfort level.
Otherwise you may come of creepy and desperate for sex. When trying to isolate and seduce a normal, healthy woman quickly (first or second meeting), building comfort is the KEY element in doing so.


Number 3: LEAD her to isolation. This may be harder in your case since you have to rely on her place. Atleast be sure your driving. Maybe after or even halfway through your first date ativity just tell her you wanna get out of there. Put her in your car and drive to the store. Do so without hesitation or explination. Shop for something easy yet sophisticated to cook.

If she asks what you are doing, say in a "no duh!" type tone, "we're going bak to your place to cook dinner and have wine." This is your selling line. Say it matter of factly like it was something that has already be determined.

The rest is up to you.

For the record, I consider myself a master of quick (first meeting) comfort building, isolating, and seducing quality, non-slut women.

Follow these step and you will isolate. The lay will depend on your seduction skills.

 

[Bible_Belt]

fvck, just walk in the door. How hard is this? Have a good date, then walk her to her door, then just follow her inside. Do not show apprehension. Act like you do this all the time, and it is no big deal.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Oops I missed the part about her being 34. How old are you? If you're a lot younger, she only wants 1 thing out of you, in which case ice skating might not be such a good idea, as she probably doesn't want to be seen out in public with you (for her own obvious reasons).

I'm 30 y/o and she's 34 y/o divorcee (who claims I look like her husband, but got a kiss from her)

I have another prospect that's 18 y/o single mother, and I'm 30 y/o.

Both were kiss closed after the first date. All I was after, for the sake of arguement, was a kiss close, so any further progress is a bonus for the purpose of my own goals.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

If she asks what you are doing, say in a "no duh!" type tone, "we're going bak to your place to cook dinner and have wine." This is your selling line. Say it matter of factly like it was something that has already be determined.

The rest is up to you.

Best advice on this subject so far. So it doesn't matter what the first or second date is, as long as I throw in this curve ball in somewhere.

Suppose her place isn't organized, and she comes up with the most obvious excuse that 'she has to tidy it up."

Do you have a couple of standard recepies or cooking stuff you normally use.

This advice is so cool, I just need an idea for the second date, and then I'll do a field report on this. The second date idea is the easiest part, the isolation is the trickiest if it's a fast maneuvour.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

fvck, just walk in the door. How hard is this? Have a good date, then walk her to her door, then just follow her inside. Do not show apprehension. Act like you do this all the time, and it is no big deal.

Doesn't work that way. Women do not let you go into their homes or driveway when you are dropping them off. Typically they just leave your car (which may be parked in a nearby plaza or whatever) and walk to their house. I dont know if women trust guys they meet for the first time on the internet to that extent and you'd likely have to have some justification to going to her house.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

So the 'cooking' idea is listed on this thread in a 'duh-no' type of tone and matter of factly like it's been determined.

Will try this first and will scrap the movie idea since it seems a bit more creepy as it looks like it's preplanned. But then again, going to a store may look preplanned to.

"Leading" to isolation sounds tricky because you want it to have a "smooth flow", appear to be sponteneous, and not come across like you are scheming something and trying to get away with it.

 

[md3sign]

Doesn't work that way. Women do not let you go into their homes or driveway when you are dropping them off. Typically they just leave your car (which may be parked in a nearby plaza or whatever) and walk to their house. I dont know if women trust guys they meet for the first time on the internet to that extent and you'd likely have to have some justification to going to her house.

Luke how do you know what works and what doesn't? You're 30, have gotten 2 kisses and have never had a sexual experience with a woman. I have a new years resolution for you: go meet as many new women as possible. Do it online, do it in real life, do it in the mall, in the library, on the street, in a bar, in a club, anywhere and everywhere. Just open your mouth and after a few burns you won't be analyzing all this stuff so much. Heck, you might not even burn. Seriously dude you gotta snap out of this.

I would advise against the 18 yr old single mother. Do what you will, but in her position chances are she wants 1 thing from you and it's not sex.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke how do you know what works and what doesn't? You're 30, have gotten 2 kisses and have never had a sexual experience with a woman.

Thus I know what doesn't. You haven't read about some of the brilliant crash and burn dates earlier this year.

I have a new years resolution for you: go meet as many new women as possible. Do it online, do it in real life, do it in the mall, in the library, on the street, in a bar, in a club, anywhere and everywhere. Just open your mouth and after a few burns you won't be analyzing all this stuff so much. Heck, you might not even burn. Seriously dude you gotta snap out of this.

Yes, I agree, I am trying to meet as many new women as possible.

I would advise against the 18 yr old single mother. Do what you will, but in her position chances are she wants 1 thing from you and it's not sex.

Her presentation to me was she was interested in a relationship and her baby already has a father that's looking after it. Nevertheless, it's still baggage, and she lives with her parents anyway, making isolation even harder so it seems out of the question.

I'm only working on girls who live by themselves so I can go to their apartments.