"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How to get this girl to buy her own food

MCristo

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I've taken this girl out a few times now and each time she expects me to pay for everything. Whenever I tell her she needs to pay some she acts like I'm an *******. One time she even expected me to take her out to get food and pay for her when i wasn't even eating (I said Helllll no!). She has never had a job in her life (yes teenager) and her only means to pay for things is through her mom.

I've straight up told her that i can't pay for everything, and the longer this goes on the more I've been thinking about nexting her ass. Her response has always been to call me a whiner and "she doesn't like whiners". Well I don't like moochers. I do dig this girl and she's my future date to prom so I do have an investment in this.

Help out, fellas!
 

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Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Say maybe "Hey mind taking this order Im kinda strapped for cash?".I guess that could work.

But then in a way you pretty much handled it the way I would have atleast.I think some other users on the forum could give other inputs as well
 

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Dude.

Wow. Thats all I can say.
I'd next her, after she called me a whiner for expecting her to go dutch. Thats disrespectful as hell. If she can't get the picture you don't need her.

Hope you didn't already pay for her tickets to prom... I'd take a different chick. Who can pay for her own damn ticket.

But hey it's high school.
 

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HalfAddict said:
Dude.

Wow. Thats all I can say.
I'd next her, after she called me a whiner for expecting her to go dutch. Thats disrespectful as hell. If she can't get the picture you don't need her.

Hope you didn't already pay for her tickets to prom... I'd take a different chick. Who can pay for her own damn ticket.

But hey it's high school.

No I haven't bought anything for prom yet. I haven't even officially asked her yet it's just been assumed (Not only by us but by all our friends). Man will she be shocked when she finds out I'll be taking someone else :).

I'm seeing her tonight so I'll see how she behaves
 

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I say she sounds like bad news. While theres a possibility that she's just spoiled, any sensible girl who is worth it would offer to pay at least every once in awhile.

I find it pretty disturbing that she acts like you're an ******* when you ask her to help you out.

Are you prepared to deal with a woman long term who is like this? I know I'm not.
 

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WC2 said:
I say she sounds like bad news. While theres a possibility that she's just spoiled, any sensible girl who is worth it would offer to pay at least every once in awhile.

I find it pretty disturbing that she acts like you're an ******* when you ask her to help you out.

Are you prepared to deal with a woman long term who is like this? I know I'm not.
No way am I prepared for that. That's why I never planned on making her my gf, just my prom date because she's fun.
 

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Girls usually pay for my food =)
 

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Girls usually pay for my food =)
This is the first one I've had a problem with. The rest at the very least go fifty fifty.

I'd say her biggest problem is being spoiled by her parents. She hasn't worked a day in her life.

I've had three jobs paying $8 an hour and I've worked my ass off to get the savings I have. I'm pretty cautious about spending anything especially on a girl.

****! prom is going to cost $300 too.....
 

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It's not that uncommon for upper-middle class teenage girls to behave like that; expecting nothing less than to be treated like a princess and catered to. A lot of that goes away in college, thankfully.

I wouldn't next her quite yet; it's lame of her to act like that, but it's just as bad for you to dump her simply because of it. You really need to tell her that this is kind of important to you; you do have a financial constraint, and that you need her to respect that. Don't antagonize her by saying something like, "I have to work for my money," or "My parents don't support me," because that is just inciting her. Just say something like, I'm obviously not broke, but eating steak every night is going to be a problem. I've found that if you talk like a normal person, almost everyone responds like a normal person.
 

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Thanks for the advice guys.

To be honest it's not even the money so much as it is I feel like I'm being used for free food and as a ticket to prom. She shows what seems to be genuine interest but she went through a similar thing at homecoming with one of my friends.

I do have experience dating a lot of girls so I'm no newbie to this. I've just never been played by a girl before (if that is what's going on).
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Mate, a question, have you had sex with her? How long have you been dating her?

She's a spoilt b*tch for expecting you to pay for everything, most decent girls would be alarmed at the possibility of making the guy pay for everything...especially since you're just dating. Everytime she starts calling you on asking her to pay I'd just smirk at her like she's a 5yr old child and tell her to reach into her pockets. There's no need to be nice about this one, if she NEVER pays anything, you're doing NOTHING wrong
 

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shaunuk said:
Mate, a question, have you had sex with her? How long have you been dating her?

She's a spoilt b*tch for expecting you to pay for everything, most decent girls would be alarmed at the possibility of making the guy pay for everything...especially since you're just dating. Everytime she starts calling you on asking her to pay I'd just smirk at her like she's a 5yr old child and tell her to reach into her pockets. There's no need to be nice about this one, if she NEVER pays anything, you're doing NOTHING wrong
Nope, no sex yet. Just dating for two weeks. What I get tonight is going to partially determine my decision. Either way if she does act mad when I ask her to pay some then it's going to be over.

I'm dreading prom with a girl who expects to be paid for.
 

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Like a famous American once said...

dub dub dub dub na na na na get a JOB!!!

This chick needs a reality check...are you gonna be the one who gives it to her?

I also believe there's an Offspring song about this situation.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Allaia said:
NNNNEEEEEXXXXTTTTTT!!!

I can't believe she called you a whiner!! Then what the hell is she?!
she's called an advantager (one that takes advantage)
 

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More like an advantager (nice word, btw) AND a whiner.
i think i just made it up, as my spell check keeps saying it isn't a word.

oh back on topic: next next next next !!
 

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Hit that B!tch with a bottle!

I've had girls that we take turns paying for things, Go Dutch, or I buy dinner, when we are eating together and I've asked her out.

My last two steady girlfriends I have done this with. Both have been a year younger (still in HS) and I Have a great job and investments I have no problem with paying for a meal. By girlfriend and I went out the other day to the mall she was hungry I wasn't I was waiting to take her to dinner later. She got lunch paid for it herself.

She's even willing everytime to pay for it herself, but I'd rather her save her money and spend it on gas to come see me etc. She doesn't have to much of it anyways

anyways not to hijack the thread but you need to Next this girl. you can do better. and you seem to be financially smart don't be taken advantage of!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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