How to get out of the "creep zone?"

[Jack Hensy]

A single older guy, unmarried with no kids can be labeled a creep. Dating divorced moms can easily pick up on the label. I had a date with a pretty cute single mom. She wanted to have sex. But I gave off the creep vibe because of my eagerness to bed her. Never will I do that again.
I wish I could tone down my eyes too they are somewhat cool looking I am told -- hazel color. But my eyes are intense. I'm trying to one myself down a lot. I am running more than weight lifting too not to be appear intimidating. I have been told I stare a lot. I didn't know I stare. I have been told I am reserved which is not good either. All these negative labels from women have made me self conscious. Maybe they are just shallow b*tches and are trying to break my spirit. Women are difficult to deal with sometimes and honestly I get a headache trying to find the right woman. Online dating is ok---its a numbers game--but it can be harsh.
I want to be a positive social person. I do normal stuff -- hiking, fitness, working out, sell cars, sports fan, etc.

Any ideas on how to get out of the creep zone?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Dont listen to her and have options. Women will try to take you down a couple pegs if they are able.

 

[Jack Hensy]

Good point well taken.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Do you sell cars as a hobby or as a profession? What percentage of your sales would you estimate are to women?

 

[Jack Hensy]

I buy and sell cars as hobby. Ratios higher for cars.
2 sex closes (12 dates) = 16% close ratio
6 kissing closes (12 dates) = 50% close ratio

 

[glass half full]

I run into those same issues. Mr Goodstuff has it right. It's one of many shyt tests women get so much a laugh out of, esp. if other gals are around. This is why I prefer to hit on them when they are alone. When in groups they protect each other, whether to keep their friends from meeting someone "possibly bad" for them, or more likely because they're jealous you hit on one instead of the other. Both are common. Come up with some witty one-liners for times like this, it might pay off. You could always invite all of them in a group to a "really cool place to hang out" to take the chill out.

 

[evan12]

I think you are labeling yourself more than anybody doing that for you , if you didnt say you are creep I wouldnt know from description you are some one creepy , you look very normal and I think handsome too because it is easy for you more than a lot of guys here .
maybe create some friends , friends really help to reduce a lot of social issues a person can have

 

[logicallefty]

I buy and sell cars as hobby. Ratios higher for cars.
2 sex closes (12 dates) = 16% close ratio
6 kissing closes (12 dates) = 50% close ratio

^^This is better than some guys do. And at least you can debrief and know you were being "creepy" and not let it happen again.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Some women will call you "creep" if you simply are not from their peer group or circles. There is nothing creepy about you.

 

[grayclif]

I buy and sell cars as hobby. Ratios higher for cars.
2 sex closes (12 dates) = 16% close ratio
6 kissing closes (12 dates) = 50% close ratio

Those are good stats IMO. Everybody stares. Sometimes upon meeting on the first date I'll find myself starring deeply into her eyes for an unusually long time. It's the strangest thing too cause she's doing the same thing. I'm checking her out and she's doing the same. I don't know what this phenomenon is called but to me this indicates a nice lil short term relationship.

 

[beforeimgone]

A single older guy, unmarried with no kids can be labeled a creep. Dating divorced moms can easily pick up on the label. I had a date with a pretty cute single mom. She wanted to have sex. But I gave off the creep vibe because of my eagerness to bed her. Never will I do that again.
I wish I could tone down my eyes too they are somewhat cool looking I am told -- hazel color. But my eyes are intense. I'm trying to one myself down a lot. I am running more than weight lifting too not to be appear intimidating. I have been told I stare a lot. I didn't know I stare. I have been told I am reserved which is not good either. All these negative labels from women have made me self conscious. Maybe they are just shallow b*tches and are trying to break my spirit. Women are difficult to deal with sometimes and honestly I get a headache trying to find the right woman. Online dating is ok---its a numbers game--but it can be harsh.
I want to be a positive social person. I do normal stuff -- hiking, fitness, working out, sell cars, sports fan, etc.

Any ideas on how to get out of the creep zone?

Unfortunately, mate, once you are in the creep zone there is no escape. lol(laugh it off man)it's cool though.


There are many women in the world. It appears as though you know what your mistake was. Which leads me to believe that you are a fairly perceptive individual. Older women generally tend to be more cautious. There is way to bypass her simple defenses by making her feel strong attraction towards you while not lifting a single finger. She will inevitably end up pursuing you. if you are interested in learning more..


Read my thread:


"All it takes is two things to make her love you forever"


Don't apply the punishment method until she is invested in an ltr.

 

[Robert28]

Divorced single moms have no business judging anyone else with all their baggage.lol

 

[LiveFreeX]

The very definition of a 'single mother' is creepy to me.

Why are you dating single mothers?

You are what you eat.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The very definition of a 'single mother' is creepy to me.

Why are you dating single mothers?

You are what you eat.

It simply means a woman raising kids on her own. It doesn't mean she's untrustworthy, and a single mother will be more "motherly" and able to put peoples needs above their own... They have to because of their kids.

 

[LiveFreeX]

You can make any excuses you like, there is simply no reason to date single mothers unless you get some sort of perverse satisfaction out of being fvcked over.

 

[Sprayarc]

It simply means a woman raising kids on her own. It doesn't mean she's untrustworthy, and a single mother will be more "motherly" and able to put peoples needs above their own... They have to because of their kids.

Yes it does. It's her fault she's a single mom. She decided to get pregnant. Her being single is a direct result of what kind of person she is. Also single mothers are looking for a man they can use to make their lives easier.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes it does. It's her fault she's a single mom. She decided to get pregnant. Her being single is a direct result of what kind of person she is. Also single mothers are looking for a man they can use to make their lives easier.

That's what most women want. A single mother simply has a child. Her husband could've cheated and left. I personally believe a stable single mother is going to waste a lot less of your time than a hardened single, she's probably going to cook and do some domestic things, and you will get to sex or companionship with less hoops to jump thru.

You do not have to be responsible for her child unless you are fully coming into their life.

 

[ubercat]

I Think that simple moms r a big chunk of the nice girl percentage when it comes to online dating. I've dated a few from there. Generally they did seem more serious and less full of BS. So i think if you were going to use o l d and filter them out you are going to find things pretty tough if you're looking for a girlfriend. Probably applies more to women. 30s+

It stands to reason that the better girls would be taken in their twenties and quite likely have a kid. But of course they will be a financial burden because the state is dying to get them off welfare anytime a sucker comes along. so I think you need to run hard screening on them before you would ever think about cohabitating. But hey in the US that's the case with any chick.

And to be honest I've never had an LTR where I didn't end up contributing time and money. that's just the nature of women.

 

[AllDay85]

A single older guy, unmarried with no kids can be labeled a creep. Dating divorced moms can easily pick up on the label. I had a date with a pretty cute single mom. She wanted to have sex. But I gave off the creep vibe because of my eagerness to bed her. Never will I do that again.
I wish I could tone down my eyes too they are somewhat cool looking I am told -- hazel color. But my eyes are intense. I'm trying to one myself down a lot. I am running more than weight lifting too not to be appear intimidating. I have been told I stare a lot. I didn't know I stare. I have been told I am reserved which is not good either. All these negative labels from women have made me self conscious. Maybe they are just shallow b*tches and are trying to break my spirit. Women are difficult to deal with sometimes and honestly I get a headache trying to find the right woman. Online dating is ok---its a numbers game--but it can be harsh.
I want to be a positive social person. I do normal stuff -- hiking, fitness, working out, sell cars, sports fan, etc.

Any ideas on how to get out of the creep zone?

What you're describing are **** tests. Keep the eye contact, keep weightlifting, and overall don't give a **** what she thinks. This is so important. Please listen.

SHE NEEDS TO ENTER YOUR REALITY.

You're an older guy trying to date younger women. Embrace your masculinity and take control. Be a leader. You're approaching this whole thing from a beta frame; failure will be your destiny my friend.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Single Mothers aren't promoted anywhere outside the 1st world because the welfare state to provide for them doesn't exist. Only in the 1st world is it not shameful to be a single mom.