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How to game shy girls properly?

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These shy girls confuse the hell out of me. I am talking about the normal girls that are fairly social with women but not as outgoing with men. From what I understand that their shyness towards men = inexperience, and they are pretty much a female counterpart of a nice guy who has not yet been laid. There may be some insecurities or strict parenting involved to some extent.

I carefully tease them, but it seems that you could easily go overboard, hence their insecurities. I do notice that these girls do OK with nice guys who pretend to be friends with them and homosexuals. But once I get one of those around me, it almost seems like I am bit too bold, intimidating, too sexual even (too masculine is better word here), even though they seem to enjoy some flirting and attention here and there.
I used to believe that they were all sexless and boring, with no personality shining through. Not anymore though.

I feel the need to tone it down quite a bit on aggressiveness and take almost twice the normal time to be build comfort, because they seem to be suspicious of my intents even though the interest and desire is there. Am I on the right track here?

Also I have to initiate everything, but sometimes I see that they make themselves available, but once I turn up the heat they get anxious. Whats up with that?

I suspect some of them, age 18-24 are virgins. I can tell they are horny and want to f*ck, but suppress the urges. WTF?
 

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PapiChulo said:
I suspect some of them, age 18-24 are virgins. I can tell they are horny and want to f*ck, but suppress the urges. WTF?
If they are passable you suspect wrong :crackup:
Anyway it's an interesting question and I'm waiting with you for someone to give an opinion.
 

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That's what a buddy of mine says and I can see why he runs into these pretty much exclusively. I was skeptical at first, but there is definitely such thing as a chump-woman, AFCW.
 

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I need more response on this.
 

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PapiChulo said:
I need more response on this.

Look,you "game" a shy the same way as you'd game any other girl.


Personality has NO EFFECT on biology.


Does a shy girl have tits? Yeah? Well what about a girl who's an extrovert who's a socail butterfly,who goes out drinking and partying every night,does she have breasts too?


My guess would be yes.



Well if a shy girl and an outgoing chick BOTH HAVE boobs and a vagina,then why would it take one thing to turn on one girl,and another thing to turn on the other? They both have the same equipment.



Take 2 guys. One is outgoing,and the other is shy. Do you think Kim Kardashian would have to look one way to attract the shy guy,then look another to attract the outgoing one?


Of course not. Them being outgoing or shy has no bearing on what turns them on. Kim could walk by them and they'd BOTH get hard.



Sexual attraction is a BODILY FUNCTION,like sweating,your finger healing itself after getting cut,or having to use the restroom.
None of these are effected by someone being "shy",so why would sexual attraction be?





It's A.C.S./attraction,comfort,seduction. I'd say the "attract" part (negging,teasing,complimenting,etc) would all be the same for all girls,but the "comfort" phase is where you'd have to take their personalities into consideration because different personality types most likely have different likes and interests.



Just "game" shy girls like you would anybody else,then adjust when you get to the "deeper convo/get to know you" phase.
 

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Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Igetit! said:
Look,you "game" a shy the same way as you'd game any other girl.


Personality has NO EFFECT on biology.


Does a shy girl have tits? Yeah? Well what about a girl who's an extrovert who's a socail butterfly,who goes out drinking and partying every night,does she have breasts too?


My guess would be yes.



Well if a shy girl and an outgoing chick BOTH HAVE boobs and a vagina,then why would it take one thing to turn on one girl,and another thing to turn on the other? They both have the same equipment.



Take 2 guys. One is outgoing,and the other is shy. Do you think Kim Kardashian would have to look one way to attract the shy guy,then look another to attract the outgoing one?


Of course not. Them being outgoing or shy has no bearing on what turns them on. Kim could walk by them and they'd BOTH get hard.



Sexual attraction is a BODILY FUNCTION,like sweating,your finger healing itself after getting cut,or having to use the restroom.
None of these are effected by someone being "shy",so why would sexual attraction be?





It's A.C.S./attraction,comfort,seduction. I'd say the "attract" part (negging,teasing,complimenting,etc) would all be the same for all girls,but the "comfort" phase is where you'd have to take their personalities into consideration because different personality types most likely have different likes and interests.



Just "game" shy girls like you would anybody else,then adjust when you get to the "deeper convo/get to know you" phase.
For purpose of this thread, I completely disagree. There are absolutely different ways to attract/interest different women. The only thing I somewhat agree with is that it doesn't always differ between "types" of women.

However, I think shy girls could be quite a bit different than more outgoing girls when it comes to much of these topics on this site. I've read a lot of these articles lately, and that was the question that kept coming to mind.

I can easily see a shy girl being too intimidated and uncomfortable, whereas someone else might be more intrigued by specific tactics.

The most difficult part of going after a shy girl is the lack of reinforcement you would get that what you are doing is working. I feel like that could make you either try too hard, or let up too soon.

If you are in a setting where it would work (such as a bar or club) I think one of the best methods could be walking away after a couple minutes and coming back later. Might reduce the time for their anxiety you mentioned to build, causing them to not put their guard down so quickly.
 

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PDubb75 said:
I can easily see a shy girl being too intimidated and uncomfortable, whereas someone else might be more intrigued by specific tactics.

The most difficult part of going after a shy girl is the lack of reinforcement you would get that what you are doing is working. I feel like that could make you either try too hard, or let up too soon.
That's exactly what I am experiencing.

I have that rule ingrained in my head: "Treat all women same", and needless to say it did put me in some strange situations where I left the wrong impression.
 

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Igetit! said:
It's A.C.S./attraction,comfort,seduction. I'd say the "attract" part (negging,teasing,complimenting,etc) would all be the same for all girls,but the "comfort" phase is where you'd have to take their personalities into consideration because different personality types most likely have different likes and interests.

Just "game" shy girls like you would anybody else,then adjust when you get to the "deeper convo/get to know you" phase.

That sounds like good tactics.
 

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I'm about to do something which I absolutely HATE to do,something that I've seen other members do that has make me actually look down on them.



I'm going to publish a PRIVATE MESSAGE between me and another member from almost a year ago who had the SAME QUESTION you have here.



I'll remove his name to keep him anonymus. I advised him the same thing I said to you,but here,we actually have THE OUTCOME and THE RESULTS of that advice being applied.



All of MY RESPONSES are in bold.




Judge for yourself.




Igetit! said:
****** said:
IT WORKED!!

You're the man, dude!!! I followed your advice almost to a T and it worked so freakin' well, I'm stunned.
That's good to hear man.

And it's simple too,isn't it? all you have to do is just be straight up bold and honest.





****** said:
Sure enough, she started coming to me more than ever, making time for me, and generally texting/facebooking me way more than usual, despite (or maybe because of) my newfound direct-ness. I am shocked that this worked on a shyer/more reserved girl like this
As you can see,being shy doesn't matter.

Nothing's changed,she's still female. And again,being shy doesn't mean she doesn't want to be sexual,it just means she's afraid to be for whatever reason.

But by you being sexual and direct with her,she now feels more comfortable showing that side of herself to you.





****** said:
I told her I wanted to see her. I told her she looked good in what she was wearing. I was my normal charming self but I sexualized my interactions with her in a masculine, but not pushy way... and she has responded so favorably to this that I'm literally stunned.
Well all your doing is displaying attractive qualities,WHILE AT THE SAME TIME putting yourself out there to be rejected.

You're being open,so you being open makes her want to be open too.

People don't like being shy. I bet this girl was YEARNING to open up like this to someone,but since most guys are scared and tiptoe around showing a girl their interest,she never feels comfortable enough to open up.




****** said:
I never ever ever thought it would work on a girl like this.

Ah come on man,you doubted me? LOL.



****** said:
you are the F'ing MAN... SARGE ON BROTHER!!

I'm glad that everything's working out for you,but don't be deceived.

Now that you got her interest,the REAL work begins.


Everything you're currently doing that got you her interest....KEEP DOING IT.


It's just that simple.
 
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Igetit! said:
I'm about to do something which I absolutely HATE to do,something that I've seen other members do that has make me actually look down on them.



I'm going to publish a PRIVATE MESSAGE between me and another member from almost a year ago who had the SAME QUESTION you have here.



I'm going to remove his name to keep him anonymus. I advised him the same thing I said to you,but here,we actually have THE OUTCOME and THE RESULTS of that advice being applied.



All of MY RESPONSES are in bold.




Judge for yourself.

Well, can't argue with results. Unless proven otherwise, I'll stand corrected.
 

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You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Very interesting indeed. I am gonna apply that to see what happens. No losing anything with the bold, direct and honest, is there?
 

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I too noticed that shy conservative girls will pull away if they think you're too much of a player, and not enough of an honest, real guy. Must admit that recently I've only had success with the shallow stupid type, and the quality girls flaked on me.
 
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