How to fix the problems white knights and AFC's are creating?

[goodganji44]

As you know, we live in a society that is geared towards the benefit of women. When it comes to the public, especially marriage women are the main benefactor of the rewards and resources that men have created.

It seems like the ratio of AFC's and whiteknights have went up in the past 20 years. I'm not sure when the feminist movement started, but it definitely has had it's impact on men and the dating game. I personally feel like that more women in the western side of the planet need to be more humbled when dealing with interactions with decent men. With women being poor judges of character and the lame asses they encounter everyday, I'm curious to know where did we (men as a whole) go wrong.

What would happen if more men started to take a stand for themselves and take a zero tolerance role to the BS that women bring on a daily and what would it take for men to get to that point? Where did the self-respect of men go to? How do we as a gender get this self-respect back?

It kills me to know that men have the power to stop the feminist-laden actions of the 21st century woman but they're not even aware of it or don't know how to use it.

 

[Driggs]

Just spread the word about red pill ideas. My guess is it's going to happen all of a sudden like a phase shift. If anything, there are a lot of white knights but I think there are actually many more vocal red pill guys than there were even a short while ago. And for each of those white knights, all it will take is a bad breakup-- now that RP ideas are out there, that is the first thing those guys are going to reach for.

Also the male marriage strike.

 

[VladPatton]

The thing is that you can't make anyone swallow the red pill. Try talking to a regular Joe Blow dude like you do in here and you will be looked at as completely insane. I've done this, and no more. If they want to get answers they can. The net is here and will be here forever. You can't help anyone who doesn't want to be helped.

 

[origin138]

How do we as a gender get this self-respect back?

By not being a part of the problem.

 

[Driggs]

Vlad they need to get their asses kicked first. Some never will but they won't affect the outcome anyway because they will be unwanted betas.

My guess is women will want red pill men.

 

[synergy1]

The ideology is too permeated through society so we won't get rid of it. Anyone with the points of view from this forum will be branded as wierd, fringe, outliar etc. Rather than worry about them, its probably best to worry about how you can improve with your own weaknesses in the dating game. It takes less energy to change yourself than it does to change everyone else.

 

[PlayHer Man]

The problem will eventually fix itself as imbalanced systems always fail sooner or later. The time frame is anyone's guess though.

At the end of the day.. women don't find AFC's, beta faggots and White Knights all that sexually attractive. BUT they will date them and marry them anyway because they can be exploited and abused without fear of retribution. But still.. these women are not happy. Happy women don't act like c*nts. Happy women respect men.

Dating an AFC is like a man dating a fatty. Several studies have said women are more unhappy post-feminism than ever before:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html

http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2372-man-shortage-men-drives-women-careers.html

Modern women are miserable and surrounded by pathetic pandering faggots that make them want to vomit on a 24/7 basis. Its like a man having fatties approach him for a date every f*cking day. If nothing else is available he will date and f*ck her. BUT HE WON'T ENJOY IT. So he will treat her like crap. And she will respond by treating him even better. :crackup:

Simply by not being a faggot your stock goes up. As the white knights and betas continue getting raped in divorce court and exploited by women.. they will either go red pill or give up on women (or both).

This is what women wanted with Feminism. But its f*cking society up the ass and making everyone miserable. This is why you never put women in charge of anything in the FIRST PLACE. :trouble:

The system will eventually correct itself. We are in a beta faggot bubble (like the Real Estate bubble). Bubbles always pop. Just have to wait it out.

 

[The Simple Man]

Why the fvck cares :crackup:

Those f@ggots serve as background for me, making me shinier and more God-like around b!tches.

 

[Knight's Cross]

I work with so many Blue Pill dudes I really detest it. I mean it F's with my positive Red Pill energy. Crabs in a barrel. Any time I bust them on their feminine imperative thought it's like I'm speaking a foreign language to them. I quit going to lunch with coworkers since they are all drinking the blue Cool-Aid.
KC

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Where did the self-respect of men go to? How do we as a gender get this self-respect back?

Men, as a gender, will NEVER get their self respect back, until the entire system "resets."

You're basically asking why everybody doesn't voluntarily "save energy" when there's nothing forcing them to do so.

Or how to somehow "lower property values" in a community where foreign investors have driven up the price.

Ain't gonna happen.

Guys act like white knights because it gets them more action than they would otherwise get.

The path from beta to "white knight" is short, and yields instant results, no matter how lame.

The path from beta to "enlighted DJ" is long hard and before yielding results, will only yield ostracism and a necessary change in social lifestyle.

MUCH better results, but a longer path.

Most PEOPLE won't take the hard road unless they are FORCED to.

 

[Driggs]

Keep in mind though that if you do what everyone else is doing you will never succeed at anything. Success goes to those who defect from a dominant system. "Beta game" is essentially socialist / cooperative. Typically in nature, there are large advantages to be had for defectors.

There has to be a way to turn it to our advantage.

 

[glass half full]

problem is, the White Knights and betas aren't creating the problem, the women are. Because they don't really know what the fook they want. This is why it is stated in The Bible that man shall lead. Women are led by emotions, therefore they can't lead fairly. They want it all, and now. And then they realize they are not happy.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Also the male marriage strike.

Japan is already in full swing and yeah the people are starting to panic. Its going to make its rounds to the USA and Canada very shortly, we are in for a huge shift in the availability of women and this bvll**** feminist group think. Feminists can only last as long as their biological clocks have time. When they suddenly hit 30, all of that feminist sh1t is wiped away... well guess what time it is now? The biggest fem-centric gen is hitting 30 and all of their bvllsh1t is tanking.

Notice most queer/feminist/lgbt are usually young white women. At the same time they all have an innate need to get married and have kids. The marriage strike is on and its not just for red pillers anymore, I've heard of stuff like this happening all around the world. Men are wising up and waiting for better quality to come around. Whilst alot of guys on here are sort of against roosh and his forum, he is getting ALOT of press lately. There are enough guys opting out now that its starting to make a noticeable difference among women.

One noticeable difference that is happening that a non-red piller friend pointed out to me at home is the prevalance of muslim culture. Their religion is growing and why? They are having children and the government backed by western feminists and multiculturalist supporters are putting them into prominent jobs. Well it's completely backfired on the feminist/lgbt crowd as muslim men and their women do not support feminist ideals in any shape or form. Now the western women are looking to their male support base and finding that there isn't anyone there to back them. All of the men that would have held up the country are long gone, replaced by mangina goofbags who are more concerned with feelings then hostile takeovers.

Sh1t is about to get real... I give it 5 years before we see some serious flashpoint activity in the West. Muslim families are having 9 children to each couple. Christian families are struggling with 1. Asians are going to have the same problem soon... interesting times ahead.

 

[zekko]

I don't think the problems can be fixed, because honestly once you give women the vote it's all just a line of dominos ready to be tipped over. There are more women than men, politicians will cater to them as a special interest, they will pursue their own entitlements and political advantages, and feminism will prevail.

But I don't see too many people today willing to openly campaign for taking the vote away from women.

Things might get better (but not fully fixed), if men hold the line with things like the marriage strike, and not putting up with women's BS. But I hold PUAs as just as much of the problem as anyone else, because by hitting on these women, they are giving sexual validation to these women. And despite much lip service, PUAs do not hold these girls to any standard. If they are slvtty, they will bang them, all the more eagerly.

 

[zekko]

• Socialism destroys societies through incentives....Men adapt by not working as hard as others....
• A liberated Woman destroys societies through destruction of the family unit.....Men adapt by poaching for sex instead of marrying for it.....

There have always been PUAs/players. In fact, doesn't the forum tell us that this a man's natural state, to spread his seed far and wide? But I have no doubt many guys are going this route as an adaptation to the out of control unreliability of women as marital partners. Guys who would otherwise not go this route.

Just as my adaptation has been to cohabitate instead of marry. Fortunately I live in a state with no common law marriage.

 

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[SecondHalf]

I think it will change, but not due to any change in men or their behaviors.

I believe it will right itself when there is a very strong need for dual income partners for survival. With world population increasing and the eminent shifting of global power to new super powers, surviving in western civilization in the future will be a challenge. Women in the work place will feel the pinch and where will they turn? Where have they always turned?

These times are not too far in the future.
Will any of this affect me ... nope, too old. But it will affect my son and any offspring he may have.

SH

 

[zekko]

I believe it will right itself when there is a very strong need for dual income partners for survival. With world population increasing and the eminent shifting of global power to new super powers, surviving in western civilization in the future will be a challenge. Women in the work place will feel the pinch and where will they turn? Where have they always turned?

There are a lot of people now that need two incomes to survive. I think the dual income need is part of the problem though. Instead of clearly defined gender roles, we have women as breadwinners right alongside the man. Too often, a woman will turn to the state as a second income. And she will feel entitled to a man's income, whether she remains married to him or not.

 

[SecondHalf]

There are a lot of people now that need two incomes to survive. I think the dual income need is part of the problem though. Instead of clearly defined gender roles, we have women as breadwinners right alongside the man. Too often, a woman will turn to the state as a second income. And she will feel entitled to a man's income, whether she remains married to him or not.

I'm not certain it will be so simple. The "clearly defined gender roles" is what I fear will be needed. The government will not have the resources. Women will feel unsafe, unsure. alone. The "need" and security of having the stronger of the sex around that she controls will seem more palatable to today's entitled woman.

The gender roles won't necessarily exclude employment. We evolved with "dual income families". The stronger of the sexes hunted, the weaker was the gatherer. The weaker sex's efforts accounted for 70% of the food for the family unit. Food meant survival.

I am not personally against women in the job market. I enjoy the extra money. Today's woman at home could just as likely bone the UPS guy or mail carrier. It's when they wouldn't risk it is when I think balance might be restored.

It's a difficult question. For the short term, I can think of no practical solution.

SH

 

[collosuss]

Men, as a gender, will NEVER get their self respect back, until the entire system "resets."

You're basically asking why everybody doesn't voluntarily "save energy" when there's nothing forcing them to do so.

Or how to somehow "lower property values" in a community where foreign investors have driven up the price.

Ain't gonna happen.

Guys act like white knights because it gets them more action than they would otherwise get.

The path from beta to "white knight" is short, and yields instant results, no matter how lame.

The path from beta to "enlighted DJ" is long hard and before yielding results, will only yield ostracism and a necessary change in social lifestyle.

MUCH better results, but a longer path.

Most PEOPLE won't take the hard road unless they are FORCED to.

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