"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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iqqi said:
Sounds good. Which joke?
lol the IRS means "I'm really sexy" joke.


But she asked me isn't Monty Python British and there is NO IRS in Britain?

I was like duhhhh.. I changed the subject. I've never even seen Monty Python.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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After sleeping on it and thinking about this date last night, I really am not sure it went very well. I am having second thoughts about it. I am wondering...

Should I shoot her some sort of message today and what should I say? I think it would be a good way to gauge the interest. It would have to be a text message.

Or would no contact at all till next week be the best move?
 

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After sleeping on it and thinking about this date last night, I really am not sure it went very well. I am having second thoughts about it. I am wondering...

Should I shoot her some sort of message today and what should I say? I think it would be a good way to gauge the interest. It would have to be a text message.

Or would no contact at all till next week be the best move?
I'm glad that you came to this on your own. Now before you start re-acting, have you even identified what wasn't right about the date? Stop trying to fix something before you've even identified the problem.
 

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...But she asked me isn't Monty Python British and there is NO IRS in Britain?

I was like duhhhh.. I changed the subject. I've never even seen Monty Python.
Now that's funny! :p
 
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I'm glad that you came to this on your own. Now before you start re-acting, have you even identified what wasn't right about the date? Stop trying to fix something before you've even identified the problem.

I'm still figuring it out. Maybe it was all my jokes were pre planned. I may have come across spewing canned material. I asked her what she wanted to know about me, and she just sat there.


Maybe I didn't study her profile enough, I asked her questions that she answered in her profile. She was like "it's in my profile".
But whatever woman, I didn't memorize your profile.

Maybe all this is in my head. Maybe I should have tried to extend the date. I just finished up my coffee and said "gotta go". I didn't say I'd call her, I didn't say we should go out again. I thought that was a good thing.

Maybe she is crazy why would a hot woman need match for over a year and still be single and she tells me I am the first guy she met off that site?

Maybe we just didn't have anything in common because I didnt feel any chemistry.

Maybe the jokes Iqqi told me to use doomed me, and Iqqi set me up because she is jealous. ;-)

I'm sending a text "hey it was nice to meet you last night, what's your email address?"

Since I already canceled my online profile I cant email her on there. So if she doesn't reply to that text i have my answer and can next her.... right?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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IMO she needs to at least email you a thank you for the coffee, a nice to meet you email within 48 hours (when I do internet dating I always do it within an hour of getting home - whether there is a connection or not).

The fact is you were a gentleman, you bought her coffee, kept the conversation alive, walked her to her car. She should acknowledge that with a polite thank you, at the very least. It is just good manners and it will be good to find out if she has them, n'est pas?
 
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IMO she needs to at least email you a thank you for the coffee, a nice to meet you email within 48 hours (when I do internet dating I always do it within an hour of getting home - whether there is a connection or not).

The fact is you were a gentleman, you bought her coffee, kept the conversation alive, walked her to her car. She should acknowledge that with a polite thank you, at the very least. It is just good manners and it will be good to find out if she has them, n'est pas?

It would be nice if all women were polite with manners, but it's rare.
 

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It would be nice if all women were polite with manners, but it's rare.
And don't YOU deserve a woman who can treat you with the basic respect a coffee date meeting commands? :cheer: Of course you do!

All the education in the world is of little consequence if she doesn't know how to treat people with basic respect.
 

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I'm still figuring it out. Maybe it was all my jokes were pre planned. I may have come across spewing canned material. I asked her what she wanted to know about me, and she just sat there.


Maybe I didn't study her profile enough, I asked her questions that she answered in her profile. She was like "it's in my profile".
But whatever woman, I didn't memorize your profile.

Maybe all this is in my head. Maybe I should have tried to extend the date. I just finished up my coffee and said "gotta go". I didn't say I'd call her, I didn't say we should go out again. I thought that was a good thing.

Maybe she is crazy why would a hot woman need match for over a year and still be single and she tells me I am the first guy she met off that site?

Maybe we just didn't have anything in common because I didnt feel any chemistry.

Maybe the jokes Iqqi told me to use doomed me, and Iqqi set me up because she is jealous. ;-)

I'm sending a text "hey it was nice to meet you last night, what's your email address?"

Since I already canceled my online profile I cant email her on there. So if she doesn't reply to that text i have my answer and can next her.... right?
Where should I start..... Question for 'ya, how did you go about pre-qualifying this woman? What did you do to make you decide that she was someone that you wanting to spend time with?
 
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And don't YOU deserve a woman who can treat you with the basic respect a coffee date meeting commands? :cheer: Of course you do!

All the education in the world is of little consequence if she doesn't know how to treat people with basic respect.

Well I already found a woman who has thanked me a few times, I'm just looking for another one.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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It would be nice if all women were polite with manners, but it's rare.
It is what it is. Qualify.
 
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Where should I start..... Question for 'ya, how did you go about pre-qualifying this woman? What did you do to make you decide that she was someone that you wanting to spend time with?

Nothing. She was hot, she gave up her #, I went for it. That's the extent of my qualifying.
 

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Nothing. She was hot, she gave up her #, I went for it. That's the extent of my qualifying.
So, she had looks. Sounds like that was all that she had going for her, at least that was all that came through during your meeting. If that's all that you go for be ready to be the one who carried the date. Unless you meet and go directly to the bedroom expect to get out of your meetings the same things as you got from this one if you don't look for additional things to sustain it.
 
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So, she had looks. Sounds like that was all that she had going for her, at least that was all that came through during your meeting. If that's all that you go for be ready to be the one who carried the date. Unless you meet and go directly to the bedroom expect to get out of your meetings the same things as you got from this one if you don't look for additional things to sustain it.
That's why I made this thread, I knew chemistry was going to be an issue. But that never stopped me before. I met a computer programmer a few years ago we had NOTHING in common, but she wanted sex and she told me that basically. It was sooo funny we had sex and then SHE left, like the guy usually does. I was like WTF???!?

She hasn't replied to the text, it's only been an hour. But I have a feeling she won't be replying at all. NEXT!
 

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That's why I made this thread, I knew chemistry was going to be an issue. She hasn't replied to the text, it's only been an hour. But I have a feeling she won't be replying at all. NEXT!

So, I have canceled the online nonsense and will take my DJ to the the real world.
So what are you going to do differently on the street which you wouldn't do online? You see a woman, you get her attenion, gain rapport, build comfort, qualify, escalate, etc... Why do you think that your outcomes are going to be any different?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So what are you going to do differently on the street which you wouldn't do online? You see a woman, you get her attenion, gain rapport, build comfort, qualify, escalate, etc... Why do you think that your outcomes are going to be any different?

Well the entire concept of qualifying is new to me. I see a girl I like, I go talk to her. I talk for awhile, get the #. If I get that far that's all the qualifying I need.

Maybe I should work on that.
 

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Well the entire concept of qualifying is new to me. I see a girl I like, I go talk to her. I talk for awhile, get the #. If I get that far that's all the qualifying I need.

Maybe I should work on that.
I've found that most men put more due diligence into determining how to create a quality fantasy football team than into determining what is needed in a quality partner. :nervous:
 

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Well I see exactly what went wrong now.

The jokes should only have been seasoning, not the meal itself.

I always hate when a man asks me "so what do you want to know about me?"

Um... if we connect. How about that? Is this supposed to be a celebrity interview? Ugh.

Also, you should have memorized a few things from her profile. It came across like you didn't even read it (insulting). PLUS your main reason for memorizing a few things would be to have a few topics to talk about!

You seemed to be lacking topics of conversation.

If you aren't good at conversation, the golden rule of thumb is to ask them about themselves. People LOVE to talk about themselves.

NOT to invite them to ask you questions!
 

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What the hell is a CPA?
LOL, it's a Certified Public Accountant. AT LEAST know what the acronym stands for before you go out with her.
 

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I've found that most men put more due diligence into determining how to create a quality fantasy football team than into determining what is needed in a quality partner. :nervous:
For gitz and shiggles I searched the forum for threads that were specifically about qualifying. Surprisingly (or maybe not) there was only a handful. I guess this is why a lot of guys get into so much trouble, the choose to walk into a burning building just because the door was open. :nervous:
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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