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How to deal with girliness? And potentially refine my social skills/be more witty

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So a lot of times chicks will just say random things that are pretty much meaningless, and like “oh I’m getting my hair done this Friday” or “my nails are bothering me, I’m gonna get them done, what color do you think I should get” or “does this thing look cute?” Or whatever. And no I’m not friendzoned, I pinched her nips the other day and can smack her ass whenever I want in front of whoever I want, so I’m definitely not friendzoned. But a lot of times she’ll say these kind of things and I just don’t know how to respond. I could just give a canned response, but most of the time I just don’t really say anything unless she asks me something and I just ignore it. I’m too rugged for that kind of girly crap. Yes, I like feminine women, but I don’t like GIRLY women. It’s cringe for me. I need to be more witty somehow. I already do say some pretty funny things sometimes and can be pretty sarcastic at times of bs, so I tend to make dynamics between me and other people very transparent but still fun and lighthearted at the same time.

I’m light years ahead of most guys and I’m thankful for that. But I’m still a little rough around the edges. I just need to refine myself. I think this may just be the last key that I’m missing before I can talk to almost anyone. I don’t think that there’s any internal downsides to it either (a lot of times, there are downsides that can happen by adding certain attributes to your character). Wittiness is something I can definitely have, though that isn’t the main thing (but perhaps a huge part of it). It’s just OVERALL refinement.
 

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Plenty of girls talk about girly stuff. It’s ok to change the subject if you like.

Chick: blah blah clothes makeup blah blah nails blah my period blah blah

You: I’m kinda hungry. Did you ever try that new restaurant downtown?
 

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She is testing you to see if you have actual interest in her, and probably also fishing for compliments.

The common thing I see in all the examples you listed is that she is fishing for compliments on her beauty. She wants you to tell her you think she is attractive/sexy. Obviously one doesn't want to over-compliment, and some women will use this tactic to make a guy think she is a bit insecure and therefore make you think that it is safe for you to pour on the compliments but that can be a trap. However, in your case, based on your saying that you are a bit rough around the edges, my guess is that you might not be complimenting enough? Only you will know the answer to that, but if that's the case, then I would simply take this as a sign that she doesn't know if you really find her attractive and she needs to hear it from you. Not too much.... not all the time. Once per date is enough, as a general rule of thumb.

Don't think of engaging in this as girly. It is feminine/masculine play - turn it into that.

Her: “oh I’m getting my hair done this Friday”
Me: Oh yeah? What are you going to change up?
Her: "I'm thinking about _________"
Me (if you two are already in a s*xual relationship): "Damn baby, that's going to look s*xy as h*ll! Just be sure you leave enough length that I can still grab on while I'm pounding you"
Me (if you are not having sex yet): "Wow, that sounds hot - better stay away from me with that new hair unless you want me to do bad things to you......"
 

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Plenty of girls talk about girly stuff. It’s ok to change the subject if you like.

Chick: blah blah clothes makeup blah blah nails blah my period blah blah

You: I’m kinda hungry. Did you ever try that new restaurant downtown?
Changing the subject immediately communicates "I don't give a sh1t about you/what's on your mind/what you have to say"

If that's the message you want to send, go for it

@oldmanofthesea nailed it
 

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She is testing you to see if you have actual interest in her, and probably also fishing for compliments.

The common thing I see in all the examples you listed is that she is fishing for compliments on her beauty. She wants you to tell her you think she is attractive/sexy. Obviously one doesn't want to over-compliment, and some women will use this tactic to make a guy think she is a bit insecure and therefore make you think that it is safe for you to pour on the compliments but that can be a trap. However, in your case, based on your saying that you are a bit rough around the edges, my guess is that you might not be complimenting enough? Only you will know the answer to that, but if that's the case, then I would simply take this as a sign that she doesn't know if you really find her attractive and she needs to hear it from you. Not too much.... not all the time. Once per date is enough, as a general rule of thumb.

Don't think of engaging in this as girly. It is feminine/masculine play - turn it into that.

Her: “oh I’m getting my hair done this Friday”
Me: Oh yeah? What are you going to change up?
Her: "I'm thinking about _________"
Me (if you two are already in a s*xual relationship): "Damn baby, that's going to look s*xy as h*ll! Just be sure you leave enough length that I can still grab on while I'm pounding you"
Me (if you are not having sex yet): "Wow, that sounds hot - better stay away from me with that new hair unless you want me to do bad things to you......"
The thing is, girls in general will say/do things like this to me so that they can get me to compliment them. But it happens to me much more often than to other guys. I’m thinking it’s because I exude a lot more strength than other guys. But it does get annoying though. I hate complimenting. I poke a lot of fun at them, and can take hits back too. But it’s like they always want me to reassure to them that I still think they’re pretty/attractive after the fact anyway. I mean the way I look at them or touch them should be enough, but they need the words from me. And I just don’t do that. It’s hard to give complements to someone without pandering. Especially when they ask for it. I always dodge and dodge but I’d just rather avoid the problem all together just because I can’t dodge all the time. I can get away with not giving compliments and just use the excuse that I’m a guy and I’m rugged enough to where it’s congruent with my personality. But it’s still annoying nonetheless. And it always starts to happen after they begin liking me really fast. Maybe I should throw a compliment at them before they start liking me too much. But they always start liking me before they turn sexual enough with me.

I still know how to make them completely gush. But they don’t give me the opportunity to be able to do that. Or they get REALLY uncomfortable if I start to. Then again, the past few women I’ve been dealing with have been insane, so there’s also that.
 

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I just default to ****y funny if I'm not interested in the conversation so that I at least get to have some fun.

Her : Hey, I'm getting my hair done, what should I get?
Me : A bright pink mohawk.
Her : Seriously, what do you think?
Me : I am serious! That or shave it and become a monk.
Her : Ughh.
 

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What you are perceiving as girliness is actually sexual objectification. An elaborate hair style and painted nails are both steps in turning a woman into a sex object, which is what a Feminist would say, and I think they are right. The difference is whether that is good or bad. It is certainly good for you, especially when you take part in it by telling her how you want to see her nails and hair. That turns her into your sex object, which is probably what she is craving to make her say those things.
 

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Both @oldmanofthesea and @Bible_Belt are correct but in different senses. It's up to you to read your chick.

She may be insecure & looking for compliments...or she may actually want your feedback.

Just as an aside many men love girliness in a woman. They love how women fuss over hair, nails, makeup. It's feminine and men, especially masculine men, find it sexy and soft and sweet. My boyfriend loves girly girls. He loves manicured nails, perfume, women who wear skirts & dresses & heels. He is turned off by tomboys (which is funny since he loves a reformed tomboy who has learned to be a siren & girly girl).

Women who are girly express feminine polarity. This is attractive to manly men. If women act girly around you it is a form of flirtation. So you flirt back (see oldmanofthesea's post). It is a playfulness and also a desire to please you, to be cute for you (be your sexual object as Bible Belt notes). She may not be fishing for compliments so much as desiring your feedback. She may know she is hot...but she may want to adorn herself in such a way that appeals to you as an individual man. In that way it is also a form of deference to your preferences.

For example. I have many dresses that look fantastic on. I will ask my BF what dress he prefers I wear, because I am dressing to please & arouse HIM specifically. He likes for example when I wear a deep red dress and deep red matte lipstick. He thinks I look like Jessica Rabbit when I wear red lips and a sexy red dress and he loves watching me do my make up & line my lips and get all fixed up FOR HIM.

He's been known to ask me to change if he shows up & isn't crazy about my dress. He's been known to take my hair down if I have pulled it back say in a ponytail but he wants it down. None of this bugs me because I'm dressing specifically for him & I like to know what he finds most attractive. He hates if I cut my hair because he likes it very long. And so on.

So if a woman asks for your feedback...have an opinion and let her know.

Do you like a crisp French manicure? Do you like soft sweet pink, do like rocker chick black, do you like candy apple red? Tell her.

Same with clothes. Do you like short & tight? Do you like long & slinky, do you like stripper heels or ballet flats? This woman wants to know what appeals to you, which translates into what you find sexy.

As far as dresses go that are amazing...Two words are all you need to know:

Herve Leger.

And if she does her nails/hair/outfit in a manner that you most enjoy & desire? THEN you compliment her.

Reinforce behavior you'd like to encourage ;)
 

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Just as an aside many men love girliness in a woman. They love how women fuss over hair, nails, makeup. It's feminine and men, especially masculine men, find it sexy and soft and sweet. My boyfriend loves girly girls. He loves manicured nails, perfume, women who wear skirts & dresses & heels. He is turned off by tomboys (which is funny since he loves a reformed tomboy who has learned to be a siren & girly girl).
If it’s done sincerely and not asked to me, then I can find it cute. But most women don’t know how to do that. I like FEMININE women, not GIRLY women. There’s a difference. Masculine men like women that know how to look good. We don’t focus on the minutiae of what MAKES them look good though. It’s done via their actions and personality traits over the way they braid their hair or the color of their nail polish.
Women who are girly express feminine polarity. This is attractive to manly men. If women act girly around you it is a form of flirtation. So you flirt back (see oldmanofthesea's post). It is a playfulness and also a desire to please you, to be cute for you (be your sexual object as Bible Belt notes). She may not be fishing for compliments so much as desiring your feedback. She may know she is hot...but she may want to adorn herself in such a way that appeals to you as an individual man. In that way it is also a form of deference to your preferences.
Of course I flirt back. But it’s not feminine. It’s girly. Girly does not equal feminine. A girly chick cares more about how other people perceive her than of the welfare of her man. A feminine woman has it reversed; she is much more caring to her partner’s needs. Exceedingly rare nowadays. It’s akin to when Stephen Hawking was asked if there was a parallel universe where the interviewer was smarter than him, and he replied that there’s a universe where the interviewer is funny too. I say the same finding a beautiful woman like that hahahaha

I don’t have much of a preference for how to look good. Just look good. When women ask for those very specifics, it means they’re trying mold themselves into your ‘perfect woman’ just to hook you onto them. Like how when sex is very frequent and awesome in the beginning. But then you put a ring on it and next time you get to bed she’ll say “oh we’re married now, we don’t do that anymore”. Ultimate form of manipulation. She’s just being fake for long enough to reel me in. And I’m too aware of it to happen to me. That’s also why I hate when they do that to me. Women will ask a man ‘what type of women do you like?’ And many guys will say ‘one who cooks, one who likes the same stuff that I do, one who finds me funny, one that will ask me how my day is,’ etc. And what that means is that the woman will initially cook for him, try to get to know his hobbies and pretend to like them, she’ll laugh at many of his side comments, and pretend to care about him. All that is fake. It’s just a facade. That’s why if I am asked what type of women I like, I only say “feminine women”. Why? Because a woman cannot fake that, without ultimately becoming it. What type of women do I like? Feminine women that also like me. That’s it. How rare that is nowadays.
Reinforce behavior you'd like to encourage ;)
I understand your point, but I don’t really have a preference. Except maybe hair. Longer hair is better imo, but they can still look good short. I just don’t have any specifics. Look good is all I want. I don’t care how really. I know that you said they do, but masculine men don’t care about the specifics. The only attractive men that do are the playboy types, and they don’t have TRUE masculinity.
 

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The thing is, girls in general will say/do things like this to me so that they can get me to compliment them. But it happens to me much more often than to other guys. I’m thinking it’s because I exude a lot more strength than other guys. But it does get annoying though. I hate complimenting. I poke a lot of fun at them, and can take hits back too. But it’s like they always want me to reassure to them that I still think they’re pretty/attractive after the fact anyway. I mean the way I look at them or touch them should be enough, but they need the words from me. And I just don’t do that. It’s hard to give complements to someone without pandering. Especially when they ask for it. I always dodge and dodge but I’d just rather avoid the problem all together just because I can’t dodge all the time. I can get away with not giving compliments and just use the excuse that I’m a guy and I’m rugged enough to where it’s congruent with my personality. But it’s still annoying nonetheless. And it always starts to happen after they begin liking me really fast. Maybe I should throw a compliment at them before they start liking me too much. But they always start liking me before they turn sexual enough with me.

I still know how to make them completely gush. But they don’t give me the opportunity to be able to do that. Or they get REALLY uncomfortable if I start to. Then again, the past few women I’ve been dealing with have been insane, so there’s also that.
Unless, they are gratifying your needs, there is no reason to gratify theirs, imo. There's plenty of other dudes out there relinquishing their power out here for all of that. Oldman's post is money.
 

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We don’t focus on the minutiae of what MAKES them look good though. It’s done via their actions and personality traits over the way they braid their hair or the color of their nail polish.
it’s not feminine. It’s girly. Girly does not equal feminine.
These are your personal preferences, your own opinions, to which you are entitled, naturally. They don't extend to ALL men or ALL masculine men. Some very masculine men find what you consider "girliness" to equate to feminine qualities. Is it the whole shebang? No. But many men like that sort of flirty cutie pie-ness as part of a woman being feminine.

When women ask for those very specifics, it means they’re trying mold themselves into your ‘perfect woman’ just to hook you onto them.
I stand by the assessment that a woman is deferring to her man's personal preferences. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean they are trying to be someone they aren't. I really don't mind what color lipstick I wear. I prefer pink or lighter colors if left to my own devices, but I look just as good (perhaps a bit more dramatic) in red. My guy likes fire engine red. Honestly if it makes him happy I've got no issue wearing fire engine red for him. I'm not becoming someone else in doing that. Lipstick color or hairstyle isn't what "hooks" a man. But it sends the message to the man that the woman is happy to attend to small details that matter to him. It's kind of like cooking up a man's favorite meal. It's something a woman does because it's a simple thing she can do to show she cares for him and values his preferences. It's not a personality overhaul. Not at all.

Like how when sex is very frequent and awesome in the beginning. But then you put a ring on it and next time you get to bed she’ll say “oh we’re married now, we don’t do that anymore”. Ultimate form of manipulation. She’s just being fake for long enough to reel me in. And I’m too aware of it to happen to me.
She’s just being fake for long enough to reel me in. And I’m too aware of it to happen to me. That’s also why I hate when they do that to me. Women will ask a man ‘what type of women do you like?’ And many guys will say ‘one who cooks, one who likes the same stuff that I do, one who finds me funny, one that will ask me how my day is,’ etc. And what that means is that the woman will initially cook for him, try to get to know his hobbies and pretend to like them, she’ll laugh at many of his side comments, and pretend to care about him. All that is fake. It’s just a facade.
The quotes reek of a jaded attitude and false assumptions. Pick a woman who is nice, feminine, and truly into you. If a man ends up married to someone and then the sex dries up, then either he missed the signals that she really wasn't into him (had an ulterior motive for getting with him besides desire), or he has lost frame and the ability to lead the relationship. Desire is complex but it is easy to maintain if it is genuine and if the man remains the leader of the dance between the lovers and both partners put the relationship first (that means ahead of career, ahead of kids, ahead of the in-laws as examples). If that isn't the situation in a LTR situation then the man either lost frame or failed to screen properly, and both of those scenarios happen frequently. It can also happen that one or both partners fail to attend to the needs of "the relationship" as well. If one or both partners fail to make the relationship a priority and the other fails to hold their partner accountable, then that can also lead to the collapse of sexual desire. Good relationships are collaborative rather than transactional, even though there may appear to be transactional components in a collaborative relationship. In a transactional relationship the focus is upon what each individual gains through the interaction, rather in a collaborative relationship the focus is on "we" or "us" and what's best for the couple together, rather than what one or the other gains or loses.

Furthermore there is no reason the sexual union cannot deepen or expand over time. In relationships where desire is allowed to flourish this is what happens. It creates a deep emotional bond based in something known as the triangular model of love. I think it is a disservice to assume that a "girly" woman is going to suddenly become someone who packs away the sex once the wedding is over. That's a non-sequitur. That's like saying redheads or short-haired women aren't going to give you sex after marriage. One has nothing to do with the other.

Her desire to defer to her man's preferences may actually indicate a desire to please and submit to her man, feminine qualities lots of men are delighted to find.

If you don't personally like what you call "girly" women, don't date them. I know women who are happily married who love to please their man by meeting his preferences along the lines of appearance and other things as well, like making him favorite meals, learning his favorite family recipes, wearing their hair long when short hair would be easier, doing activities he likes that they may not otherwise do...it's about the opportunity to enjoy time with him doing what he likes, and that doesn't mean a woman is being "fake" or becoming someone she is not. That is a woman who is prepared to follow her man along his life course and join his parade. The men with wives like this TREASURE them.

And obviously it is up to the guy to discern if she does this because she likes him in a genuine way (and thus likes to please him and tag along with him to stuff he enjoys) or if she is being fake. Certainly some women are indeed fake. But being girly does not = fake. It may actually indicate real interest, but of course the man has to register and recognize what is fake and what is real, and granted that is not always easy to do. Time and patience will generally win the day along those lines.
 

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These are your personal preferences, your own opinions, to which you are entitled, naturally. They don't extend to ALL men or ALL masculine men. Some very masculine men find what you consider "girliness" to equate to feminine qualities. Is it the whole shebang? No. But many men like that sort of flirty cutie pie-ness as part of a woman being feminine.
Men like femininity. That DOES extend to all men. You are interpreting the term ‘girliness’ in a different way than what I meant. I mean it when they are NOT being flirty. Guys tend to like ‘girly’ chicks when they are flirting with them. But not because they’re girly, but because they’re flirting with them.
I stand by the assessment that a woman is deferring to her man's personal preferences. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean they are trying to be someone they aren't. I really don't mind what color lipstick I wear. I prefer pink or lighter colors if left to my own devices, but I look just as good (perhaps a bit more dramatic) in red. My guy likes fire engine red. Honestly if it makes him happy I've got no issue wearing fire engine red for him. I'm not becoming someone else in doing that. Lipstick color or hairstyle isn't what "hooks" a man. But it sends the message to the man that the woman is happy to attend to small details that matter to him. It's kind of like cooking up a man's favorite meal. It's something a woman does because it's a simple thing she can do to show she cares for him and values his preferences. It's not a personality overhaul. Not at all.
It’s on a subconscious level. But sure.
The quotes reek of a jaded attitude and false assumptions.
It’s not jaded negativity like how you presume. That’s just your own interpretation of what I said. It’s more like “it’s just life” kind of thing. It’s realism. I know that what I want does not exist. Poor me, boohoo I’ll cry myself a river and kms. So what. I’m just saying what is and what isn’t. We always disagree on this.
If a man ends up married to someone and then the sex dries up, then either he missed the signals that she really wasn't into him (had an ulterior motive for getting with him besides desire),
We are at different stages in our lives which is why you first interpret it this way. But you forget that this is not ALWAYS true. Things just change. It’s as simple as that. Again, it’s life.
or he has lost frame and the ability to lead the relationship.
The problem is, people don’t question why. Women put their men in situations where it’s a damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don’t scenario very often. Where he’s either gonna be too alpha or too beta (for lack of better terms), and no in between. Too alpha, and she feels his strength but not his love. Too beta, and there’s no strength which means no attraction. This is why I dislike girliness.

E.g. ‘What do you think of this hairstyle?’ Now I know she likes it and wants to get it, she’s just testing me to see what I’ll say. Now based off our dynamics between me and said girl, if I said yes, then it meant I would have been weaker. But if I said no, it would have meant that I didn’t like her because I’m not sensitive to her feelings. I had to play it dumb and say ‘hmmm, it depends on the girl’ even though I know she’s talking about herself. She just facepalmed and laughed because she thought I was funny even though I acted stupid. Little does she know... I played it right so that I didn’t become too much of one or the other. But it gets hard sometimes though. And if it gets to where I have to choose her or my dignity, I’m never giving up the latter. Never. And then they get upset when I don’t. Like I HAVE to give up some self-respect if I want her to think I like her or care about her? **** that, it ruins everything.
Desire is complex but it is easy to maintain if it is genuine and if the man remains the leader of the dance between the lovers and both partners put the relationship first (that means ahead of career, ahead of kids, ahead of the in-laws as examples)
The problem is, the man usually DOES put his relationship first, because in order to maintain a really long relationship, he also needs to be able to support a family as well. The woman would leave him otherwise. But the thing is, it’s always the woman that changes the dynamics of the relationship. Once you have kids, THEY come first. And THEY will be her excuse not to do her wifely duties anymore. Hence why problems always arise AFTER kids are born. An old man told me that a few weeks ago, and said that before I get married (if I ever want to, he says it’s not a good idea haha), that I would need to understand that before getting engaged. And I’m not bothered by not coming first anymore either. I mean hey, that’s going to happen. It’s just the way things go. But if she uses them as an excuse not to satisfy my needs anymore while I still do hers, then I will become bothered. And the thing is, most women DO use their children as an excuse to have less responsibility.

The dynamics WILL shift, and maintaining the relationship does not come first anymore. This is something that as I’m writing actually DOES bother me. Especially because I’ve always been more relationship-minded than a casual plate spinner. But fortunately for me, I’m strong enough and proud enough that I am willing to throw it all away at the drop of a pencil should my needs not be met. A broken household is often times better than a dysfunctional one.
If that isn't the situation in a LTR situation then the man either lost frame or failed to screen properly, and both of those scenarios happen frequently.
Too much so, and in both cases it’s because of the woman. She tried corrupting her man, or was a snake all along.
Good relationships are collaborative rather than transactional, even though there may appear to be transactional components in a collaborative relationship.
Hey, what’s the oldest profession in the world? :D:D:D

There’s a reason why they say it is what it is.
love. I think it is a disservice to assume that a "girly" woman is going to suddenly become someone who packs away the sex once the wedding is over. That's a non-sequitur. That's like saying redheads or short-haired women aren't going to give you sex after marriage. One has nothing to do with the other.
It does though. ‘Girliness’ is a personality trait. Redhead or blond or whatever is a non-deformative physical feature. Girly chicks are more like ‘oh it hurts’ and never want to have sex ever again after they have a kid or two. A feminine woman feeling the same thing will still continue to try for her husband and then over time learn to enjoy it. That is just one example. I’m also not saying that all girly chicks are like that too, I’m just saying that the same type of manipulation that THOSE types of women do is the same type as when a girly chick tries to mold herself into your ‘perfect’ girl. And it’s an extremely scary situation for a man to be put into.
Her desire to defer to her man's preferences may actually indicate a desire to please and submit to her man, feminine qualities lots of men are delighted to find.
Going from feminine to girly is, but not from girly to feminine.

That is true for a feminine woman becoming more girly, but not true for a girly woman trying to become more ‘feminine’. ;)
If you don't personally like what you call "girly" women, don't date them. I know women who are happily married who love to please their man by meeting his preferences along the lines of appearance and other things as well, like making him favorite meals, learning his favorite family recipes, wearing their hair long when short hair would be easier, doing activities he likes that they may not otherwise do...it's about the opportunity to enjoy time with him doing what he likes, and that doesn't mean a woman is being "fake" or becoming someone she is not. That is a woman who is prepared to follow her man along his life course and join his parade. The men with wives like this TREASURE them.
Then you don’t understand what a girly girl is. It’s about the nuance of the action more so than the action itself.
 

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@BeExcellent awesome post. I don't understand why you take the time honestly.
Men like femininity. That DOES extend to all men. You are interpreting the term ‘girliness’ in a different way than what I meant. I mean it when they are NOT being flirty. Guys tend to like ‘girly’ chicks when they are flirting with them. But not because they’re girly, but because they’re flirting with them.
Always with the semantics. Typically, girls do not care about the opinions of men they are not interested in.
The problem is, people don’t question why. Women put their men in situations where it’s a damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don’t scenario very often. Where he’s either gonna be too alpha or too beta (for lack of better terms), and no in between. Too alpha, and she feels his strength but not his love. Too beta, and there’s no strength which means no attraction. This is why I dislike girliness.
Because she doesn't respect you or she's not sure if she respects you and wants you to show her your balls to make sure they are still there.
.g. ‘What do you think of this hairstyle?’ Now I know she likes it and wants to get it, she’s just testing me to see what I’ll say. Now based off our dynamics between me and said girl, if I said yes, then it meant I would have been weaker. But if I said no, it would have meant that I didn’t like her because I’m not sensitive to her feelings. I had to play it dumb and say ‘hmmm, it depends on the girl’ even though I know she’s talking about herself. She just facepalmed and laughed because she thought I was funny even though I acted stupid. Little does she know... I played it right so that I didn’t become too much of one or the other. But it gets hard sometimes though. And if it gets to where I have to choose her or my dignity, I’m never giving up the latter. Never. And then they get upset when I don’t. Like I HAVE to give up some self-respect if I want her to think I like her or care about her? **** that, it ruins everything.
Have you thought about dating up in age?
There’s a reason why they say it is what it is.
If you will notice, it's usually ppl that always end up in trouble, jail, highschool/college drop outs, deadbeats, going nowhere in life, etc that always throw this phrase around. It's a statement of submission and unwillingness to solve the problems and situations in their lives. Food for thought.
 
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Men like femininity. That DOES extend to all men. You are interpreting the term ‘girliness’ in a different way than what I meant. I mean it when they are NOT being flirty. Guys tend to like ‘girly’ chicks when they are flirting with them. But not because they’re girly, but because they’re flirting with them.

It’s on a subconscious level. But sure.

It’s not jaded negativity like how you presume. That’s just your own interpretation of what I said. It’s more like “it’s just life” kind of thing. It’s realism. I know that what I want does not exist. Poor me, boohoo I’ll cry myself a river and kms. So what. I’m just saying what is and what isn’t. We always disagree on this.

We are at different stages in our lives which is why you first interpret it this way. But you forget that this is not ALWAYS true. Things just change. It’s as simple as that. Again, it’s life.

The problem is, people don’t question why. Women put their men in situations where it’s a damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don’t scenario very often. Where he’s either gonna be too alpha or too beta (for lack of better terms), and no in between. Too alpha, and she feels his strength but not his love. Too beta, and there’s no strength which means no attraction. This is why I dislike girliness.

E.g. ‘What do you think of this hairstyle?’ Now I know she likes it and wants to get it, she’s just testing me to see what I’ll say. Now based off our dynamics between me and said girl, if I said yes, then it meant I would have been weaker. But if I said no, it would have meant that I didn’t like her because I’m not sensitive to her feelings. I had to play it dumb and say ‘hmmm, it depends on the girl’ even though I know she’s talking about herself. She just facepalmed and laughed because she thought I was funny even though I acted stupid. Little does she know... I played it right so that I didn’t become too much of one or the other. But it gets hard sometimes though. And if it gets to where I have to choose her or my dignity, I’m never giving up the latter. Never. And then they get upset when I don’t. Like I HAVE to give up some self-respect if I want her to think I like her or care about her? **** that, it ruins everything.

The problem is, the man usually DOES put his relationship first, because in order to maintain a really long relationship, he also needs to be able to support a family as well. The woman would leave him otherwise. But the thing is, it’s always the woman that changes the dynamics of the relationship. Once you have kids, THEY come first. And THEY will be her excuse not to do her wifely duties anymore. Hence why problems always arise AFTER kids are born. An old man told me that a few weeks ago, and said that before I get married (if I ever want to, he says it’s not a good idea haha), that I would need to understand that before getting engaged. And I’m not bothered by not coming first anymore either. I mean hey, that’s going to happen. It’s just the way things go. But if she uses them as an excuse not to satisfy my needs anymore while I still do hers, then I will become bothered. And the thing is, most women DO use their children as an excuse to have less responsibility.

The dynamics WILL shift, and maintaining the relationship does not come first anymore. This is something that as I’m writing actually DOES bother me. Especially because I’ve always been more relationship-minded than a casual plate spinner. But fortunately for me, I’m strong enough and proud enough that I am willing to throw it all away at the drop of a pencil should my needs not be met. A broken household is often times better than a dysfunctional one.

Too much so, and in both cases it’s because of the woman. She tried corrupting her man, or was a snake all along.

Hey, what’s the oldest profession in the world? :D:D:D

There’s a reason why they say it is what it is.

It does though. ‘Girliness’ is a personality trait. Redhead or blond or whatever is a non-deformative physical feature. Girly chicks are more like ‘oh it hurts’ and never want to have sex ever again after they have a kid or two. A feminine woman feeling the same thing will still continue to try for her husband and then over time learn to enjoy it. That is just one example. I’m also not saying that all girly chicks are like that too, I’m just saying that the same type of manipulation that THOSE types of women do is the same type as when a girly chick tries to mold herself into your ‘perfect’ girl. And it’s an extremely scary situation for a man to be put into.

Going from feminine to girly is, but not from girly to feminine.

That is true for a feminine woman becoming more girly, but not true for a girly woman trying to become more ‘feminine’. ;)

Then you don’t understand what a girly girl is. It’s about the nuance of the action more so than the action itself.
Wow. A girl asked your opinion on a hairstyle and its spiralled into a threat to your dignity and future marriage issues and kids and providing and your needs being met etc etc.

You are way way overanalyzing the crap out of a very benign conversation in an effort to guard whatever you think you need to guard.

That has got to be tiring for you. Unclench ;)
 

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@oldmanofthesea Is correct... when a woman is being 'girly' turn it sexually. If she likes you and has a good attitude she'll think it funny... if she doesn't... well you don't want her anyway.

A few months ago one of the chicks I'm seeing died her hair purple (yea I know, other than her periodic changes in color, she's actually pretty hot and a lot of fun) she sent me a picture and asked me what I thought, I answered back... I don't care what she does with her hair assuming it's long enough for me to grab it. She loved that... now when she gets frisky she'll text me and ask if I want to grab her hair.
 

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Because she doesn't respect you or she's not sure if she respects you and wants you to show her your balls to make sure they are still there.
No, that’s not why. It’s because she’s falling for me too fast, and wants to know whether or not I actually care about her or am just a typical ****boy. She already does respect me because she likes me. You can’t like someone you don’t respect.
Have you thought about dating up in age?
I look younger than my age. So it’s not really possible. But there are ways for me to still attract them, I’ve done it before when I was 17. But I don’t feel like being that way because it would almost be counterintuitive to my own personal goals in life because it’s almost like taking a step backwards, since I would be reverting to a way I was when I was younger. I could probably figure out a way to do it with how I am now though...
@BeExcellent awesome post. I don't understand why you take the time honestly.

Always with the semantics. Typically, girls do not care about the opinions of men they are not interested in.

Because she doesn't respect you or she's not sure if she respects you and wants you to show her your balls to make sure they are still there.

Have you thought about dating up in age?

If you will notice, it's usually ppl that always end up in trouble, jail, highschool/college drop outs, deadbeats, going nowhere in life, etc that always throw this phrase around. It's a statement of submission and unwillingness to solve the problems and situations in their lives. Food for thought.
I meant in regards to prostitution being the oldest profession. As in, there is a reason why they say it’s the oldest profession. Not the way you thought.
Wow. A girl asked your opinion on a hairstyle and its spiralled into a threat to your dignity and future marriage issues and kids and providing and your needs being met etc etc.

You are way way overanalyzing the crap out of a very benign conversation in an effort to guard whatever you think you need to guard.

That has got to be tiring for you. Unclench ;)
^^^^^^^^When you can’t figure out that there’s many more examples I could give and much more to the story than I’ve been telling due to privacy reasons.

The real reason why I dislike it so much (since you’re so keen on looking at things very flat like that :confused:) is because I don’t know what to say to that girly garbage. I hate that crap. I’m not you’re gay best friend to be talking to like that, I’m the dude that smacks your ass whenever the hell I want lmao. I don’t know how to respond without coming off as a total ass or a total simp. That is ALSO why I said I need to refine my social skills. I’d be able to dodge every bullet there is. Refining myself is great in the sense that I could continue to doge and deflect or say just the right things the right way at the right time, but it won’t necessarily stop her from feeling inside like maybe I’m just avoiding the question all together. And why I also wanted to specifically include wittiness in there as well? Because if I could make a funny smartass comment, she won’t continue to pressure me into those crappy situations because getting her to laugh or smile would make that feeling she has go away. I’m trying to become the best man there is.
 
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