how to build a conversation?

[Slowhandluke]

Most asian girls are just as stuck up, if not even worse man. Their entire culture is socially reserved

Which is worse western women or Asian women I think Asian women seem more open and nice. Asian women don't look down their noses at average men. Just my opinion though. In the west, when talking to a woman, it's always like an audition. In the east, it's just a conversation. If the woman is attractive, she's flattered and not offended. I'm talking in generalities because there are nice western women in the west that are good conversations, but it's not as common as in the east. I also heard that was the same thing about eastern European women.

At the end of the day, sometime it's not that your conversation skills are bad, sometimes the person who you are talking to just has "anti-social" biases. I can't wait until western society changes. It slowly is. After seeing so many divorces... single ladies.. etc.. younger women are slowly starting to see the message.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Which is worse western women or Asian women I think Asian women seem more open and nice. Asian women don't look down their noses at average men. Just my opinion though. In the west, when talking to a woman, it's always like an audition. In the east, it's just a conversation. If the woman is attractive, she's flattered and not offended. I'm talking in generalities because there are nice western women in the west that are good conversations, but it's not as common as in the east. I also heard that was the same thing about eastern European women.

At the end of the day, sometime it's not that your conversation skills are bad, sometimes the person who you are talking to just has "anti-social" biases. I can't wait until western society changes. It slowly is. After seeing so many divorces... single ladies.. etc.. younger women are slowly starting to see the message.

Unfortunately, the West won't change anytime soon. What message do you think younger women are getting, because from where I'm standing, the cards are in their favor and that's not changing. You would have to douse social media and dating apps with gasoline and nuke them for the changes you're hoping for.

I can't speak on what Asian women are like in the East, but they're fairly guarded in the U.S. And I've met Asian women that were visiting. Tourists. They were extremely guarded.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Unfortunately, the West won't change anytime soon. What message do you think younger women are getting, because from where I'm standing, the cards are in their favor and that's not changing.

they really don't have any cards unless you consider getting pumped and dumped by chad a "card".

No more ladies night. guys don't open doors. guys don't want to pay for dinners or dates. society allowed men in women sports giving women black eyes and concussions (slowly this is changing though). women are expected to work instead of being stay at home moms. If a women is robbed, its less likely anyone will help her. More and more women are no longer approached or hit on by men.

also, after getting pumped and dumped, as she ages less men will even acknowledge her. She will have a higher likelihood as compared to her mom or grandmother of living alone without kids and without a husband.

as for men, we can still have kids as we age. We can still build wealth and be respected for that (women not so much). Also, because of our biology we can handle isolation in our older age better. men are valued for our resources which we can continue to accumulate as we age. women are valued for life that they can bring into the world and take care of - which is a shorter interval of time IF they play their cards right which means marrying someone and starting a family which is not happening as much as before.

Men and women have an "equal" number of cards. Women are given their cards earlier and men are given their cards later and in smaller batches.

Times do change. I feel it when i talk to my feminist cousins and relatives. They notice older men who remarry ... and they notice the regular women that grow old with no one. I can feel it in their voice and attitudes. They use to be so sure of their idealogy... but I can now hear slight sounds of intrepidation and regret.

 

[Oatmeal31]

they really don't have any cards unless you consider getting pumped and dumped by chad a "card".

No more ladies night. guys don't open doors. guys don't want to pay for dinners or dates. society allowed men in women sports giving women black eyes and concussions (slowly this is changing though). women are expected to work instead of being stay at home moms. If a women is robbed, its less likely anyone will help her. More and more women are no longer approached or hit on by men.

also, after getting pumped and dumped, as she ages less men will even acknowledge her. She will have a higher likelihood as compared to her mom or grandmother of living alone without kids and without a husband.

as for men, we can still have kids as we age. We can still build wealth and be respected for that (women not so much). Also, because of our biology we can handle isolation in our older age better. men are valued for our resources which we can continue to accumulate as we age. women are valued for life that they can bring into the world and take care of - which is a shorter interval of time IF they play their cards right which means marrying someone and starting a family which is not happening as much as before.

Men and women have an "equal" number of cards. Women are given their cards earlier and men are given their cards later and in smaller batches.

Times do change. I feel it when i talk to my feminist cousins and relatives. They notice older men who remarry ... and they notice the regular women that grow old with no one. I can feel it in their voice and attitudes. They use to be so sure of their idealogy... but I can now hear slight sounds of intrepidation and regret.

Women are stubborn. They will not change. They'll just repeat the behaviors you listed above and blame others for them until it's too late.
Have you ever heard the saying, "Dead people receive more flowers than the living ones because regret is stronger than gratitude,"

It's supposedly a quote by Anne Frank. Probably not. Anyways, it's pertinent to women in the dating scene. They tend to have regret when it's too late. They finally realize their mistakes when the ship has sailed. Of course, I could say this about people in general, but it's largely applicable to women in the dating scene because they can afford to behave a certain way in their prime years. When they can't, they become disgruntled

And when disgruntled people enter the dating scene, they poison the well. That's why a lot of men have turned out the way they did. A guy hurt a girl. The girl wants to hurt men. The men want to hurt women. It's turned into a perpetual cycle that is now the hookup scene.

This entire forum is a case of if you can't beat em, join em. Times will not change unless you utterly remove what is the hub for these behaviors, and we know that will never happen. You cannot have faith in mankind as a whole. The damage has been done, bank on it.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Women are stubborn. They will not change..

if they dont change then the human species will go extinct

 

[Oatmeal31]

if they dont change then the human species will go extinct

Men today enable women, so unfortunately the threat is unlikely