"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How to bang chick with BF without becoming BF?

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Chick I want to hook up with. I think she likes me... she calls, texts me, without much effort on my side. I dont want to be her boyfriend though. I find out tonight that she is dating one of my female friends brother (He is in the army in Iraq right now). I found out that she was dating him because my friend says "amanda is dating my brother", and Im like "oh really". She quickly said "yea I told you that". Well, she never told me that. Anyways we havent been physical in anyway. But tonight at her BF's sisters house we watched a movie and she asked me to share a blanket with her and got close but it was strictly PG. I rubbed her feet under the blanket and tried to get a little touchy without pushing it so I didnt blow my cover. She is very insecure and I think she would have trouble sleeping with me unless we had some sort of committment. Well im not interested in that, her boyfriend is a doosh bag anyways....But I dont want to have to be her boyfriend. Can I pull this off without having to lie and without being a total jerk??? The BF doesnt come back until Christmas. After all this went down this is the text she sent me - "Sorry we didnt end up going out. I still had a good time though."

One other thing... Im asking how to do this, because ive never been in a situation like this. Need some good advice..
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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How about going for a girl who you actually wouldn't mind being her BF and who doesn't have a BF who's your female friend's brother and is serving in Iraq?
 
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Yeah, trying to hook up with a soilder's chick seems unpatriotic.

Besides, what if he finds out you were banging his babe while he was in Iraq? You might get the crap beaten out of you....or he just might shoot you.
 
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DonutMan said:
Chick I want to hook up with. I think she likes me... she calls, texts me, without much effort on my side. I dont want to be her boyfriend though. I find out tonight that she is dating one of my female friends brother (He is in the army in Iraq right now). I found out that she was dating him because my friend says "amanda is dating my brother", and Im like "oh really". She quickly said "yea I told you that". Well, she never told me that. Anyways we havent been physical in anyway. But tonight at her BF's sisters house we watched a movie and she asked me to share a blanket with her and got close but it was strictly PG. I rubbed her feet under the blanket and tried to get a little touchy without pushing it so I didnt blow my cover. She is very insecure and I think she would have trouble sleeping with me unless we had some sort of committment. Well im not interested in that, her boyfriend is a doosh bag anyways....But I dont want to have to be her boyfriend. Can I pull this off without having to lie and without being a total jerk??? The BF doesnt come back until Christmas. After all this went down this is the text she sent me - "Sorry we didnt end up going out. I still had a good time though."

One other thing... Im asking how to do this, because ive never been in a situation like this. Need some good advice..
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If you REALLY want to hook up with this girl, and that's what you're really trying to do, you might want to consider the fact that SHE may not want you to be her BF either. Chicks cheating on BF's and husbands while they are on duty somewhere far off is pretty common and she may just want to get some then go back to her BF. After all, he is the one with all those good military benefits that she has the potential to get her claws on.

But then there are also some factors too that may play a role as to whether you can pull this off or not, one of them being that she's dating your friends brother which means that word of you two getting together can and will easily get back to him. So really the ball is in your court as to whether you really want to do this or not. But if you're really trying to do this, you better be very careful in how you interact with other while you are around this chick, particulary your friend.

I agree with the fact that it is unpatriotic, but if you really want to go that route, be blunt with her and let her know your stance on the issue. You'll be suprised with how compliant that chicks are with having a booty call here and there. I think with a chick like that, she has to see that she can trust you enough to keep your mouth shut when all is said and done.
 
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ketostix said:
How about going for a girl who you actually wouldn't mind being her BF and who doesn't have a BF who's your female friend's brother and is serving in Iraq?
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we men tend to to take it where we can get it if we leave alone every gor with a BF we may end up alone and sexless for real...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I dont feel unpatriotic about this at all. Because her bf is a retard, plus he is still married (going through a divorce, or so he says). Although if they were married I wouldnt go anywhere near the girl. Im not gonna pursue her much, Im gonna let her call me. Then see what happens.
 
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Looks wise she is definitely girlfriend material. I just dont like her personality. But she wants to hang out with me a lot. Every time we have done something it has been because she initiated it. I guess I thought being a DJ was less about getting a GF, and more about hooking up, and that you guys would have some more useful advice. Other then telling me im unpatriotic. The other thing is that I didnt even know she had a BF until last night. So....its not like I was scheming to steal some soldiers gf.
 
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DonGorgon said:
we men tend to to take it where we can get it if we leave alone every gor with a BF we may end up alone and sexless for real...
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I never say leave alone every girl with a "BF", and I don't think anyone else says that here either. But when the BF is your friend's brother and on top of that he's not around because he's serving in a military action I think that's a little different.

Personally, I wouldn't generally go for a girl who I know has a BF serving overseas and it's beyond his control for being away. There would have to be some unique circumstances before I'd do that, but that's just me.
 
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Simple. You fvck her and then, you leave. But, would you really want fvck some guys girl while he is Iraq fighting for us?
 
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Hahaha, that is BAD karma. How would you feel if you were overseas and your GF was at home screwing some other guy. Being cheated on is the WORST feeling in the world. You deserve to get the sh*t beat out of you if you go through with this, hell you should probably get your @ss beat for considering it.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I.A.F.Y.B. said:
Simple. You fvck her and then, you leave. But, would you really want fvck some guys girl while he is Iraq fighting for us?
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Whatever.. they aren't fighting for me over there.. I'd hit it.
 
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DonutMan join the corps and tell the boyfriend, that seems to balance the Karma.

(And no one in Iraq is dying for anything. That however is a different thread.)
 
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