How the hell do most mid to late 20s/early 30s men find dates???

[bigdave17]

If you don't meet women through your social circle, you have to cold approach in random situations, which is crazy difficult and 95% of men are never willing to do/would never be successful even if they tried

So how the hell do most guys I meet actually have girlfriends? It's mind boggling to me. Are they all just getting lucky via social circle?

The crazy thing is that, almost anywhere I go, I'm one of the best looking/most fit/best dressed/most successful men around and dating is this unbelievably difficult for me. Most guys are average looking, don't workout and make 30K a year. How are they able to solve this excruciating problem? I can't even imagine how awful my dating life would be if I was average looking. I would be a virgin still.

 

[sosousage]

what made you think you are NOT average looking?

 

[bigdave17]

what made you think you are NOT average looking?

step outside the online world where average = 6'3, 220 lbs 5% bodyfat with a male model face

Go to a general event in a normal city (not LA or Miami) and observe your surroundings, very few guys really put in a strong effort to look good. Very few guys are lean, with good skin, nice teeth, nice physique, dress well, etc... Most guys are chubby and look like garbage

The online idea of a 6/10 is like top 10% of men in the real world. The online idea of an 8/10 is top 0.001% so it's irrelevant. I'm not saying I'm a male model by any means but I do have decent facial bone structure (great jawline especially) and I put in a very strong effort to look good. On an avg day and at the avg bar I go to, I'm easily in the top 10% of men there

 

[LaughyDuck]

step outside the online world where average = 6'3, 220 lbs 5% bodyfat with a male model face

Go to a general event in a normal city (not LA or Miami) and observe your surroundings, very few guys really put in a strong effort to look good. Very few guys are lean, with good skin, nice teeth, nice physique, dress well, etc... Most guys are chubby and look like garbage

The online idea of a 6/10 is like top 10% of men in the real world. The online idea of an 8/10 is top 0.001% so it's irrelevant. I'm not saying I'm a male model by any means but I do have decent facial bone structure (great jawline especially) and I put in a very strong effort to look good. On an avg day and at the avg bar I go to, I'm easily in the top 10% of men there

Most women look for guys who are attainable. Those guys put women in ease because they are disposable. On the contrary guys who are 8 and up In looks and general smv are a challenge and risk for most women which most of them don't want to take.
If you are as handsome and fit as you mentioned I would advise you to go after women who are on pairs in looks with you.

 

[bigdave17]

Most women look for guys who are attainable. Those guys put women in ease because they are disposable. On the contrary guys who are 8 and up In looks and general smv are a challenge and risk for most women which most of them don't want to take.
If you are as handsome and fit as you mentioned I would advise you to go after women who are on pairs in looks with you.

I want somebody about my level - which would probably considered a 6-7 online (but is realistically top 10 or 5% of women in real world)


My problem is I hate difficult cold approaches and I don't see many opportunities to get with women I like where it's an easy approach scenario (not a million obstacles in the way)

 

[MatureDJ]

Become an ex-pat.

 

[zekko]

If you don't meet women through your social circle, you have to cold approach in random situations, which is crazy difficult and 95% of men are never willing to do/would never be successful even if they tried

Expand your social circle.

 

[bigdave17]

You answered your own question, social circle and day game. Those guys don't have a laundry list of 20 criteria though.

Expand your social circle.

day game - not a chance in hell. 99% of guys are terrified of cold approaches

Social circle - I don't know how they do it. I've tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and I can't make any friends who know hot single women

 

[bigdave17]

Approaches aren't all cold. Warm approaches. Most men are capable of that. Put in some mental effort for once please.

What are warm approaches? when a woman gives you a sign of interest that she wants you to approach her before hand?

How does this happen for average men who look like garbage and not me when I'm easily in the top 5 or 10 percentile in terms of looks, money, social circle, etc...??

I went to 3 bars last night and I actively looked around. Out of 100 men, I saw maybe 5 who were even comparable to me - and 2 of the 5 were my own best friends. Why aren't women making it very easy for me to approach them?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

What are warm approaches? when a woman gives you a sign of interest that she wants you to approach her before hand?

How does this happen for average men who look like garbage and not me when I'm easily in the top 5 or 10 percentile in terms of looks, money, social circle, etc...??

I went to 3 bars last night and I actively looked around. Out of 100 men, I saw maybe 5 who were even comparable to me - and 2 of the 5 were my own best friends. Why aren't women making it very easy for me to approach them?

It's you your too focused you looks and your own looks. You also look down upon the women who do like you. It's nasty. You have to fvck someone. Pick a lady in the circles your trying to penetrate. She doesn't have to be the finest one. Females talk.

 

[bigdave17]

It's you your too focused you looks and your own looks. You also look down upon the women who do like you. It's nasty. You have to fvck someone. Pick a lady in the circles your trying to penetrate. She doesn't have to be the finest one. Females talk.

I've been ice cold last 6 weeks. Zero women showing interest in me that I know off

I do wonder if I come across as arrogant. I have extremely confident body language

 

[mrgoodstuff]

What are warm approaches? when a woman gives you a sign of interest that she wants you to approach her before hand?

How does this happen for average men who look like garbage and not me when I'm easily in the top 5 or 10 percentile in terms of looks, money, social circle, etc...??

I went to 3 bars last night and I actively looked around. Out of 100 men, I saw maybe 5 who were even comparable to me - and 2 of the 5 were my own best friends. Why aren't women making it very easy for me to approach them?

I've been ice cold last 6 weeks. Zero women showing interest in me that I know off

I do wonder if I come across as arrogant. I have extremely confident body language

Probably. Hang with masculine men who are having success.

 

[bigdave17]

Probably. Hang with masculine men who are having success.

my main best friend is extremely masculine. 5'11 195 lbs ripped, rich, deep voice, etc...

but he has a girlfriend now

 

[LaughyDuck]

I want somebody about my level - which would probably considered a 6-7 online (but is realistically top 10 or 5% of women in real world)


My problem is I hate difficult cold approaches and I don't see many opportunities to get with women I like where it's an easy approach scenario (not a million obstacles in the way)

Sometimes it's necessary to create his own opportunities. Just go to locations where it's easy to create them...

What are warm approaches? when a woman gives you a sign of interest that she wants you to approach her before hand?

How does this happen for average men who look like garbage and not me when I'm easily in the top 5 or 10 percentile in terms of looks, money, social circle, etc...??

I went to 3 bars last night and I actively looked around. Out of 100 men, I saw maybe 5 who were even comparable to me - and 2 of the 5 were my own best friends. Why aren't women making it very easy for me to approach them?

maybe you are too focused to scan who is better looking or in general looks. So you miss the signals women send you . Regarding coming across as arrogant . If you are very handsome and confident most people will assume you are arrogant. Several people mentioned that to me even thought I am quit humble , sometimes ...women are very subtle in sending their signals checking you out of the corner of her eye and smiling, staring at you and when you look at them they stare at someone Else etc.etc.

 

[sosousage]

step outside the online world where average = 6'3, 220 lbs 5% bodyfat with a male model face

Go to a general event in a normal city (not LA or Miami) and observe your surroundings, very few guys really put in a strong effort to look good. Very few guys are lean, with good skin, nice teeth, nice physique, dress well, etc... Most guys are chubby and look like garbage

The online idea of a 6/10 is like top 10% of men in the real world. The online idea of an 8/10 is top 0.001% so it's irrelevant. I'm not saying I'm a male model by any means but I do have decent facial bone structure (great jawline especially) and I put in a very strong effort to look good. On an avg day and at the avg bar I go to, I'm easily in the top 10% of men there

Weird, when u pasted pic u looked like you forgot to shave your unibrow and are at the very least chronically depressed with eternally sad face expression. Is that top 10% of men in your country? Also your haircut is equally bad.

 

[bigdave17]

Weird, when u pasted pic u looked like you forgot to shave your unibrow and are at the very least chronically depressed with eternally sad face expression. Is that top 10% of men in your country? Also your haircut is equally bad.

I dunno what pic you're talking about. I trim my eyebrows to just the right amount (a little thick/bushy with a strong brow ridge is masculine), not depressed or sad (have a great smile) and I have a normal hair cut

 

[sazc]

This circus again?

 

[bigdave17]

Ever had a conversation with a woman just in daily life? Coffee shop? Library? Line at the DMV? It just happens. This is basic human stuff. When it happens, take the opportunity.

Your narcissism doesn't allow you to see men the way women see them, that's why you are obsessed with looks and don't realize how woman's opinion of male looks often completely random, and how good-looking the man is is mostly disconnected from the female orgasm while it is important to the male orgasm.

Bar scene is dead, grow up. Just an excuse to drink now.

I don't see women I like during daily coffee shop run or grocery store or whatever. I live in the suburbs remember?

fukk, I barely see women I like at bars. The only place I really see women I like is at the gym and approaching there is unbelievably difficult

yes I do have a specific taste (attractive, dark features, nice body, great skin) but that's just what turns me on.

 

[bigdave17]

Sometimes it's necessary to create his own opportunities. Just go to locations where it's easy to create them....

Where the fukk do I go to meet cute Spanish/Middle Eastern/Italian women who workout, have no kids, are mid 20s with a smart and good personality?

Like I said, I see them at the gym all the time but approaching there is very very difficult.

 

[bigdave17]

I already told you that normal men don't have a list of 20 criteria. you then go around in circles complaining about normal men when you are anything but normal. Why is your brain so f***** up?

forget some of my more unique requirements. The average good looking 29 year old male wants a good looking mid 20s woman with no kids, decent body. That's not unusual at all

I don't even see that in my day to day life. I live in the suburbs - I go to grocery stores and it's all old broads. I see it at gyms and malls but approaching there is very difficult