“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

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How the hell did I completely revert to my former super-AFC self??

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I've been reading this SoSuave and ASF crap for about 2 years now. About a year and a half ago was when I first started taking it seriously. Suddenly I was hooking up with girls, getting phone numbers, making out with them...about two months ago I was getting numbers from all over the place, had chicks calling here for me, was going away for the weekend and banging one girl, then coming home and getting it on with another one.

Then BAM...I'm right back where I started. I actually have a fear of social engagement...I can't even TALK to women. I feel like any attempt to speak to someone is an intrusion into their life. I'm sure this goes back to the young days where I was the kid everyone made fun of and I started becoming an angry misanthrope, but I honestly thought I was past that.

Now I sit home most of the time and play video games and hang out on Internet forums. When I DO go out, I keep to myself. If I go to clubs and such, I sit in the corner and don't talk to anyone unless I'm first addressed, until I get drunk and then leave in a stir of anger. Anger at them, then anger at myself for being such an antisocial idiot.

It's like it's just not there any more. I can't even hear my sex drive calling to me any more...before I could look at a woman and I would feel something stirring inside me, a desire to touch her, to engage her. Now it's either gone or completely drowned out by social apprehension.

What do you do when this happens? When suddenly you just go from a rising Don back to a falling AFC?
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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It might just be a little set-back. Stop worrying about it. You at least have all the knowledge from this site so you can't really be an afc anymore. And if you are, you will know instantly where you went wrong.

Give yourself a little time and it will get back to you. Focus on yourself for a while, try and figure out what's bugging you. Work on it. Don't worry so much and stop taking yourself so seriously.

I am not one that would cold approach a girl in a club because it really isn't the best place for me. And yet, it doesn't stop me from being succesful with girls and life.

So stop putting so much pressure on yourself. When you find yourself buying a girl flowers and waiting underneath her balcony at night, hoping she'll give you a little bit of attention, there is plenty of time to worry. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Caveman
It might just be a little set-back. Stop worrying about it. You at least have all the knowledge from this site so you can't really be an afc anymore. And if you are, you will know instantly where you went wrong.

Give yourself a little time and it will get back to you. Focus on yourself for a while, try and figure out what's bugging you. Work on it. Don't worry so much and stop taking yourself so seriously.

I am not one that would cold approach a girl in a club because it really isn't the best place for me. And yet, it doesn't stop me from being succesful with girls and life.

So stop putting so much pressure on yourself. When you find yourself buying a girl flowers and waiting underneath her balcony at night, hoping she'll give you a little bit of attention, there is plenty of time to worry. ;)
It's not a "little setback." This has been going on for like a month and a half. This is how I felt BEFORE I had even FOUND any of this seduction material.

It's not about kissing women's asses, it's about being so afraid of them that I can't operate like I normally would. It's like I opened my eyes just for a second to the Matrix, started to believe that maybe the constructs in my mind weren't real, but they were STILL there and now they've re-exerted themselves. I just don't know if I believe in my own sovereign power over my reality.
 

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Try and figure out what has triggered this then.

Did you meet a girl that made you feel this insecure again? When did you realize girls scare you again? Something must have happened to make you fall back like this.

And even though it is 1,5 months, it could still just be a setback. Like I said, you have all this knowledge and you cannot 'undo' that knowledge so i figure something must have happened to make you feel this insecure about yourself again.
 

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Honestly, a few things have been going on in my life...

As far as girls go, I've had a couple where I was seeing the girl, then I suddenly felt like I was being used, or I got bored, or I started worrying about keeping HER happy, so I cut ties. Just recently I cleared all the numbers out of my phone. The funny thing is not one of these girls ever called to find out what happened to me. Maybe that's part of it.

Also since this summer started the martial arts program I was in has sort of disbanded. I think it may be starting up again in fall but I'm not sure. I only recently came back to it and I was hoping to make black-belt next year, and it was nice to be a part of something.

Additionally, some of my so-called friends and I have had a mini-falling-out. Some of it's because of stuff I did, some of it's because they were just acting like d!cks, but a lot of it's just because a lot of the people are moving on in life and I feel stuck in second gear.

I also wonder deep down if I'll ever find more than just a 2- or 3-night stand in a woman. I'm almost 25 years old. I wonder what I'm living for. Whether I should be getting married and having a kid to carry on my progeny. Whether my DNA even DESERVES to be carried on. Maybe I'm just being Darwinned out. :(

I'm still going to the gym, I'm still doing rock-climbing...none of that really ignites my passion like it used to. Work is just...work. I've been doing great there. I feel like a big part of what goes on and in fact I just got a surprise bonus as a recognition of my contributions, but I just feel kind of burned out on everything.

I feel like I should know who I am and where I'm going. But I don't. Maybe I just don't feel worthy as a human being...maybe I don't feel like I'm GOOD enough to engage these people in conversation, even the crappy people. People want to be engaged by people who make a difference in their lives...who bring something to the interaction. I'm not sure WHAT I bring into people's lives any more, or what I have the potential to bring. That makes it difficult.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Okay, now that sounds like you are in a depression.

Some people may have rubbed you the wrong way. Or that's just how you see it. You have certain expectations from people and you feel bad when they aren't met. Don't feel bad, many people experience this.

In fact, I once had the same thoughts you have now. I felt I had nothing to give and people wouldn't miss me if I was gone. I felt inferior to almost anyone around me and I just felt low.

The thing is: YOU are the only one that will always be there for you. It is not fair to expect this of others. The girls that aren't calling you might be wondering what they did wrong for you to cut off all contact with them.

I advise you to stop feeling sorry for yourself because that does not solve your problems. It will only make them worse. Try to focus on your future and try to see everything in a positive lighting. Any problem is a challenge for you to prove to yourself you can handle it. This will make you stronger and eventually happier again.

It can either be a downward or an upward spiral. Which one will you take?

If you feel the need to talk, feel free to PM me.
 

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I can relate

I posted this in the Shark/Badboy forum a few weeks ago, since then I've found this forum and decided it is more to my taste. It has helped me a lot more than the tiny nuggets of information Badboy would post like every other week.

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First of all I’d like to say what’s up to everybody. I’ve been sitting behind a desk for several weeks now just waiting for customers to come in. It’s given me time to read the entire forum here and now that I’ve completed that, I think it’s time to ask my own questions. But first let me give you a little (ok a lot) of history.

I’m a 9-9.5, 6 ft. tall, 175 lbs., 21 year old, college student. But what I am today is but a shadow of my former self.

It all started my freshman year of high school. For some reason, all the seniors, the ones who ran our small school, took a liking to me. While my friends from my age group were sitting at home watching TV or whatever it was that they were doing, I was out with them getting drunk, high, and laid. My sophomore year was similar, with our party attendance lessened I was allowed to invite a few of the people from my grade to hang out with us. It was this year that I started reading philosophy during my study halls. Using your terminology, I was searching for a frame that could define me and I thought using the same one as a famous Greek philosopher would give it some credibility. It wasn’t long before I found one, Epicureanism, the pursuit of pleasure as the highest possible goal in life.

With this I could stop being a lucky tag along and start controlling my life. It didn’t take long before I, a late sophomore, was the life of the party. My frame was impenetrable, not that people wanted to change it, as it promised them a great time too. I’m posting this here because I see so many parallels between BadBoy/Sharks frame and mine. I was a loud mouth and did whatever the **** I wanted. If you didn’t join my frame it was your loss and you could kiss my ass. My friends and I would go to the park with a megaphone and **** with people long before Tom Green started doing it. I would go up to any girl at any time and talk about whatever was on my mind, being nervous or trying to say the right thing weren’t even a possibility. If my friends and I were in a conversation I would ask strangers about their opinion on the matter. I believe shark/badboy and I would have the same frame if he were born in America or had I been born in croatia. Theirs is a slightly more cynical worldview because of the harsher environment they’ve been forced to deal with. When I was playing football they were shooting people, you get the idea.

Anyway, this lasted until after the first semester of my first year of college. I went away to college to study pharmacy at a private school, but when I dropped that as a major, there was no need to stay there and pay $37,000 a year for a degree in business. So I came back home to go to a local, but still respectable college. What I came back to find was devastating.

The group of people I left behind were nothing like the people who were waiting on me when I came back. My friends in the grade above had become hippy Rastafarian potheads who never left the house if it wasn’t to buy weed. The people from my grade were huge cokeheads and/or prescription drug addicts who had withered away to skin and bones from staying up 72 hours at a time and never eating, and my friends from the grade below me had become devil-worshipping goth losers even though less than a year before they had joined me in mercilessly making fun of those types. The hot chicks I had hung out with had almost all went away to college for some reason, and those that didn’t were now devoted girlfriends of people from other high schools.

I had nobody, not a single person was the way I remembered him/her. Remember though that I am still a mack daddy at this time, while it was undoubtedly frustrating, I had just finished making a completely new set of friends at the private college I had attended, so I knew it would be no problem to do the same thing again at this new school. The only problem was I wasn’t going to be able to go back to classes for like 6 weeks. What was I going to do for these 6 weeks with nobody to hang out with? The decision I made ruined my life.

Was it to start smoking crack? To join a cult? To deal drugs for some extra spending money and then get caught? If only it had been this dramatic. I wouldn’t be so ashamed of admitting it. No, while I was at the private school, some of the guys in the fraternity I was rushing were playing a particular computer game and seemed to REALLY like it. I had tried playing it but could never really get the time and didn’t want to buy it anyway. Now that I had 6 weeks to kill and nothing better to do, I said what the hell and went to Babbages and picked myself up a copy. The game? EVERQUEST. Just saying(typing) that name makes me want to ****ing puke. It was the best video game I had ever played in my entire life times 10. I played it into the wee hours of the morning, slept for a few hours and then started playing it again. When my “friends” called me, I wouldn’t even stop playing, I would just say “yes, no, I don’t know” until they would get tired of it and hang up. Hey, it didn’t matter because my little character had just gained a level and found a glowing cape of strength. (fukking gay I know)

This went on for over a year and a half, I didn’t bother making friends at my new school, I just wanted to get home and play my game. I didn’t do **** with anybody and hardly talked to anybody in any of my classes. Then came New Year’s Eve, 2004. For whatever reason I decided I wanted to party like I did in the old days that night. So I called my old friends and asked what they were doing for the night. They didn’t want to tell me. They had tried too many times trying to get me to do something, and I had been unbelievably rude every time. I honestly don’t blame them. Finally I called one of the hippy pot heads and he told me what was going on and where to go. The night was a joke, I felt like a COMPLETE outsider and didn’t have ANY of my social skills left to help me. I went home after the ball dropped miserable and depressed, what had I let happen? I deleted everything off my computer and broke the CD. It was time to start picking up the pieces.

Like a said, I am nothing even remotely like my former self, on a scale of 1-10, my self esteem is currently a negative 3. http://fastseduction.com/masf/16/166679/ has helped my social skills recover a bit, but I have completely forgotten those that I once had. And that’s why I’m here. I know my potential but I just can’t seem to get there. I’ve read tons of books and bought some Tony Robbins’ stuff, none of it helped, nor was it what I was looking for anyway.

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After reading this and Badboy's forum, I came up with a plan of action that is gradually working.

1. First i had to rediscover and fortify my frame, if you don't know exactly what a frame is, look it up on the mASF forum at fastseduction.com

2. Then I decided once and for all where I wanted my life to go, what my goals were.

3. I completely stopped watching TV and definitely no more playing video games, i think they caused a lot of the anxiety I was experiencing.

4. I started taking Karate again, I highly recommend this or any activity that introduces you to a new circle of people. It's a hell of a lot easier than going to a mall/club/whatever and trying to make friends with someone out of the blue.

5. Set low, attainable goals at first and congratulate yourself when you achieve them, then of course gradually increase what you expect of yourself. When i first started my recovery I tried to jump right back into where I used to be, and then when I didn't have the skills to do this, I would be extremely hard on myself.

6. I've had one phrase that has helped tremendously in the face of failure and disappointment. It's nothing fancy but every time you say it it becomes a little more true... I DON'T CARE. This I believe is the ultimate goal of the DJ, it's is alluded to in DarkDreams post, "Just Play the Game," http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15909 as well as many others around here.

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This should get you started, just remember that you're not gonna go from zero to hero in a day, but if you keep trying, you will eventually get there.
 

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AFC rising to DON JUAN? wtf is this? surely women is not your primary goal for success in life.
 

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squirrels, i'm in the same boat. well sort of. i haven't sank really low this summer, but by the same token i haven't become the social god i dreamed of becoming. i think that if you acquired good social skills at one point in your life and managed to talk to women with ease, you will be able to do it again - and easier! it's like muscle-memory for me. say i take a week off talking to people then i get thrown in at the deep end at some party. i'll still be able to swim.

for the time being, i think you should take your mind off women, like djdork just suggested and get involved with your passions. set small mental tougness tests like no video games for a day, get down to the gym 4 days a week, go out for a run everyday etc and build it up in baby steps. at the same time, you could take baby steps and build up your convo skills again. you said you're angry while out at clubs? doesn't the music make you feel good? i find it's a hell of a lot easier talking to folk when i'm in a good mood.

it doesn't matter what your current status/level of ability is in life. it's the direction you're going in.

epicurean, what a life you've had already! i had the same story with video games - sort of. i got addicted to diablo2 and neverwinter nights for a couple of weeks (i imagine it's similar to everquest) and i thought i had hit rock bottom so i smashed the cds and started getting back on track. 1 and a half years though! holy shyt, that must have hurt so badly. it's a good thing you've given up video games, like i have. i don't think i'll ever touch one again, no matter how bored i am.

as for rebuilding your social status, you've already got the right idea

you're not gonna go from zero to hero in a day, but if you keep trying, you will eventually get there.
that's good that you've started karate. are you in shape just now? after a long haul like you've been through your body must be withered unless you were keeping fit at the same time as playing those games (when i was playing, i cared more about my character's shape than my own). if you aren't in shape, i'd add "get down to the gym 4 times a week" to that list. get those endorphins flowin.
 

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no of course i'm still a newbie and all that
but perhaps you've come to apoint in life where you do'nt feel that getting it on with a smany chicks is worth it anymore
i believe most peopl ehere's goal is to become the sort of person who can have any chick he wants, when he wants
perhaps now that you'v ebeen there and done that u subcinsiously feel that it's time to move on and find some purpose in your life

:confused:

as for your friends "moving on" or whatever, perhaps they are tryin to get ahead in their careers, and stop seeking out the one-night stands, and are now lookin for LTRs. maybe it's time to do the same
 

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Originally posted by evolvingnerd
no of course i'm still a newbie and all that
but perhaps you've come to apoint in life where you do'nt feel that getting it on with a smany chicks is worth it anymore
i believe most peopl ehere's goal is to become the sort of person who can have any chick he wants, when he wants
perhaps now that you'v ebeen there and done that u subcinsiously feel that it's time to move on and find some purpose in your life

:confused:

as for your friends "moving on" or whatever, perhaps they are tryin to get ahead in their careers, and stop seeking out the one-night stands, and are now lookin for LTRs. maybe it's time to do the same
The friends are not about the clubs and the chicks. The friends are about things that have not much at all to do with women. In fact, the chicks are more of a distraction when I'm out with my friends.
 
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1. I don't see any AFC behavior. I only see self absorb prick behavior. If you want to sit and sulk at humanity all night long then do it...so the fawk what...it's your life. Let no one tell you how to live.

2. I must say this post is an example of why this site is not being called sosymp anymore but "sogay". Sorry to share that with you...

3. Why don't you just get a girlfriend and settle down into a self absorb pretentious life. That will really give you something to whine about....when she starts nagging and shyt.

No offense squirrels, but it's your life. Like I said above if you want to be anti social and self absorbed...don't let the heads on this site change you. Be who you are. Nobody says you have to go out and be friendly all day...that can be tiring at times.

Nobody says you have to chase chicks all the time...we know that can be tiring...and if you don't feel it in your gonads...then so be it!!! Live your life for YOU.

If a man in speedo turns you on then so be it. If the site of womens hips get you moving then so be it. But don't whine about it. Just live it.
 
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