"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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As a MGTOW I like spending time with the person who means to me the most. That person is me. So when women come to my life I can tell from experience what they talk about probably does not interest me. Though that is the case with men too but to a lesser degree.

So for now if a women wants to open me I would like two things the most. First self improvement and second mild science like astronomy.

What topics do you hate the least where you would give her a chance?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

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When you let them unbutton your fly.
Hi Amsterdam,
You are so quick......I grew up with several Dutch Boys and their sense of humour seemed so close to the English who I think excell in that that sort of thing,that it raised the question....How can you Guys,be so different to the Germans,with whom you share a border,and are notorious for their serious nature....I also noted your interest in Tantric Love,now I am slowing down I would like to get involved in it,any suggestions?
 

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A classic cold approach. For example you are sitting on a bank in the park and she comes and starts talking.
As a MGTOW I like spending time with the person who means to me the most. That person is me. So when women come to my life I can tell from experience what they talk about probably does not interest me. Though that is the case with men too but to a lesser degree.

So for now if a women wants to open me I would like two things the most. First self improvement and second mild science like astronomy.

What topics do you hate the least where you would give her a chance?
Most conversations between strangers who just met, at least ln my case (whether she or zi initiated it) tend to be light and non-serious. Usually flirty and fun/humorous . I don’t think I’d enjoy having some serious conversation early on. Frankly. If she is attractive, I really don’t care what she talks about.
For example. Before I wound up with my current GF. I was to meet some friends at a coffee shop to play some cards. I walked in and this girl, who was sitting there said ‘nice pants’ to me. We wound up just flirting and talking about innocuous silly stuff like coffee, the card game I was going to play, teeth and my big hsnds… My friends showed up. We exchanged numbers. She called me around 3 am for a booty call.
 

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Most conversations between strangers who just met, at least ln my case (whether she or zi initiated it) tend to be light and non-serious. Usually flirty and fun/humorous . I don’t think I’d enjoy having some serious conversation early on. Frankly. If she is attractive, I really don’t care what she talks about.
For example. Before I wound up with my current GF. I was to meet some friends at a coffee shop to play some cards. I walked in and this girl, who was sitting there said ‘nice pants’ to me. We wound up just flirting and talking about innocuous silly stuff like coffee, the card game I was going to play, teeth and my big hsnds… My friends showed up. We exchanged numbers. She called me around 3 am for a booty call.

I know that is why it is not fun to talk to strangers or to be talked by strangers. It feels like a waste of time. It is ok to do it for training to make shure you can do it.

In your example I would find it risky to invite strangers to my home.

Nowadays most guys do not need sex that much. There is porn and unlimited entertainment. So she has to compete with that.

Additionally the topics I menioned are abstract enough so it is not too personal because when it becomes personal things can get bad quite quickly.

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If she is funny she can come up with something funny though it is a bit risky.

For example something like this story


 
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I know that is why it is not fun to talk to strangers or to be talked by strangers. It feels like a waste of time. It is ok to do it for training to make shure you can do it.

In your example I would find it risky to invite strangers to my home.

Nowadays most guys do not need sex that much. There is porn and unlimited entertainment. So she has to compete with that.

Additionally the topics I menioned are abstract enough so it is not too personal because when it becomes personal things can get bad quite quickly.

Edit:
If she is funny she can come up with something funny though it is a bit risky.

For example something like this story


I enjoy talking to people. I’m full of nonsense so frivolous chatting is fine. And. I prefer non-serious conversations. I went to her place. but, I get what you mean. I felt comfortable enough with her. Of course. It’s always a risk.
A real girl, who’s horny. is way more fun than porn & entertainment.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I enjoy talking to people. I’m full of nonsense so frivolous chatting is fine. And. I prefer non-serious conversations. I went to her place. but, I get what you mean. I felt comfortable enough with her. Of course. It’s always a risk.
A real girl, who’s horny. is way more fun than porn & entertainment.
I think it is also a bit of maturity thing also. After doing all the nonsense fun things after expriencing alot of hedonic adaptation at one point one might think it is a waste of time. It is cheap dopamine. I might can do it better.

I might do the 'fun' things more organized. Like doing 'home karaoke' and 'home dancing' or whatever floats your boat. I feel things become messy the more other people get involved.

It is an amazing feelling when one does not depend on others and has satisfaction exploring intellectual stuff like this for example:


 

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I think it is also a bit of maturity thing also. After doing all the nonsense fun things after expriencing alot of hedonic adaptation at one point one might think it is a waste of time. It is cheap dopamine. I might can do it better.

I might do the 'fun' things more organized. Like doing 'home karaoke' and 'home dancing' or whatever floats your boat. I feel things become messy the more other people get involved.

It is an amazing feelling when one does not depend on others and has satisfaction exploring intellectual stuff like this for example:


I’m probably a dopamine addict.
 

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I’m probably a dopamine addict.
I believe we are all dopamine addicts. I think it depends on what kind of one. I feel like when I am stressed out and my willpower is low then 'cheap dopamine' rules. When my life is not full of stress I have more willpower and I don't need that much of 'cheap dopamine'. I am satisfied with 'good dopamine'.

Big part of it is to analyze and experiment how to optimize oneself. Then things become easier to control. Most of the time we are like dogs chasing afte cars without knowing why. Once we know what we want we figure out 90% of the things we chase are not worth it.
 

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What is the definition of ‘open you’?
A classic cold approach. For example you are sitting on a bank in the park and she comes and starts talking.
Men in the middle of the bell curve on looks are rarely going to be approached by women in the real world. This might happen once a year or less.

Men do get "opened" on Bumble, where a woman is forced to initiate a conversation. Most women do the least they can on Bumble with opening men. They say "Hi" or "Hi First Name" or send some gif. It's also worth noting that women don't open a sizable percentage of their matches on Bumble within the time limit.

Women tend to think far more men are unattractive than they actually are.
 
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Men in the middle of the bell curve on looks are rarely going to be approached by women in the real world. This might happen once a year or less.

Men do get "opened" on Bumble, where a woman is forced to initiate a conversation. Most women do the least they can on Bumble with opening men. They say "Hi" or "Hi First Name" or send some gif. It's also worth noting that women don't open a sizable percentage of their matches on Bumble within the time limit.

Women tend to think far more men are unattractive than they actually are.
That does not answer the question though.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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That does not answer the question though.
Most conversations between strangers who just met, at least ln my case (whether she or zi initiated it) tend to be light and non-serious. Usually flirty and fun/humorous . I don’t think I’d enjoy having some serious conversation early on. If she is attractive, I really don’t care what she talks about.
I would agree with the answer @Hamurabimbi provided. If she's attractive enough, it won't matter that much what she opens with on the rare cases she would open.

Since age 16 (24 years), I have been approached by women for romantic purposes very few times. Probably around 5-7 times and all times it was by an unattractive woman. 5-7 times in 24 years is less than once a year.

Most average looking women or better will not need to approach.

In the 1980s-2000s (before online dating took off), an average looking woman might have needed to initiate an approach every so often. Now, that woman who might have done a few approaches in real life just needs to put up pictures on a swipe app and she won't ever need to approach in person.
 

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I would agree with the answer @Hamurabimbi provided. If she's attractive enough, it won't matter that much what she opens with on the rare cases she would open.

Since age 16 (24 years), I have been approached by women for romantic purposes very few times. Probably around 5-7 times and all times it was by an unattractive woman. 5-7 times in 24 years is less than once a year.

Most average looking women or better will not need to approach.

In the 1980s-2000s (before online dating took off), an average looking woman might have needed to initiate an approach every so often. Now, that woman who might have done a few approaches in real life just needs to put up pictures on a swipe app and she won't ever need to approach in person.
Ok fair enough. Let's say she is a 5. What topic would be interesting for you to want to talk to her more?
 

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She has bobs & vag. She could talk about the rate of paint peeling under different atmospheric pressures for all I care.
Ok what about if she is lower like 4,3,2,1,-1?


 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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